thecampster

yahhhhhh NO! No that's not a real rumor. Dallas already got a big because their deal with Capela was a no go. They aren't doing that now. Hawks are active right now but this is probably what we go to camp with.

It also cost them Grayson Allen which is not nothing.

1) I usually don't talk about the rest of the league, only the Hawks. 2) Quote: " As a reminder, we are to 9/16 which was the day we were looking for for things to heat up again. Then the above article pops confirming the things we were talking about back in June/July. With FIBA now over and teams assured of knowing the injury situation of players going into camp, we'll see some rumors heat up now and a few deals in the league will get done going into camp. " End Quote Boom! How do you like me now son?

1 week to training camp....tic...tic...tic Longest offseason ever!!!

I do like the change to the rip through rule where you can't just swing your arms/the ball. You have to include a move toward the basket for the rip-through to count as a foul.

He was also shooting under a lot of pressure, knowing if he missed, he might get yanked, it might be the only shot he gets. I want JJ, penetrating, being a problem inside as much as I want him shooting 3's. I want the opposing defense scrambling so they can't just double Trae. We lacked movement, slashing from our starters all last year. JJ provides ample hands/passing to put pressure on the D to not just double Trae.

JC is neither Batman, nor Robin. He's Alfred. He's gentlemanly and at his best when all the attention is on those 2. My problem with JC is how much standing around he did. Some of it was by design but in the last couple of years he would check out early if it was becoming the Trae Young show in a game. He was rarely engaged defensively like he was season 2/3. He was very bad at giving help when help is what our guards needed. I think with JC, you can lessen the expectations for him in Utah. What he gave the Hawks last year was still top 20 for a PF (barely). If Utah gets that, and he's splitting time at center, they become very good and have a very big lineup. If he ends up coming off the bench, that's going to be a bad look.

Comparison's JJ's shot chart last 3 years. Clint's shot chart last 3 years Bey shot chart last 3 years DH shot chart last 3 years

JC shot chart his rookie year Shot chart last season - notice all the 3's.

As a rookie a large portion of his shot attempts were dunks. He was a primary in the pick n roll game. Clint took that role limiting his shot availability. But JC's TS% was a direct result of many dunk/layup opportunities.

Siakam - Red Arrow but that doesn't surprise me. He isn't in the post a ton and he isn't setting screens much. I'm assuming this chart is about stretch4/5 diversity. Can you step out to help set screens, move, pop and still defend the post. As you can see, neither player does much of that. This is all about spacing and making the defense move their feet. Both Siakam and JC are seen as hustle guys with Siakam being much better at guarding on the perimeter and getting in passing lanes + handling the ball on his way to the basket.

Anyone notice where JC was on this chart??? Why $25 million wasn't a great value.

A bit of "receipts" for you. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10089580-nba-trade-rumors-hawks-discussed-deandre-hunter-with-pistons-pacers-this-summer As a reminder, we are to 9/16 which was the day we were looking for for things to heat up again. Then the above article pops confirming the things we were talking about back in June/July. With FIBA now over and teams assured of knowing the injury situation of players going into camp, we'll see some rumors heat up now and a few deals in the league will get done going into camp.

It's a momentum article. Makes the fanbase familiar with the eventual starter.

https://soaringdownsouth.com/2023/09/12/hawks-snyder-urged-risk-johnson-bey/

Incoming Huerter criticism. Nobody say the world is ending. I'm noticing a pattern the types of players we are retaining and letting go. Everyone allowed to walk had a habit of disappearing. Except for the game 7, Huerter has a reputation for disappearing in games and down the stretch. That's been Collins for almost 3 years. Bey - motor, Murray - motor, Trey - mighty mouse motor, OO, motor. I'm not going to pass judgement as quickly as Sturt. I'm seeing a culture being developed or at least, I'm hoping that's what I'm seeing. I'm willing to let it play out this year to see if effort, "team" and unified focus wins out.

Barring injuries to the rotation, G league is the best place for him. He's not going to get many minutes behind JJ/Hunter/Bey. Hawks depth chart per ESPN - Per yahoo sports Both sites have Gueye as 4th on the depth chart at both positions. Not saying they're right but just saying he's got to climb over 3 bodies to get playing time. That only happens in blowouts. Lets also remember that players in the NBA are bigger in aggregate than players in Summer League. He's really skinny compared to other NBA players. He's got to gain at least 20 lbs to not break in half out there. Gueye 6'11, 210. JJ 6'8, 220 (when last year started....he's bigger now). Bey - 6'7" 215" 3 inches taller but 10 lbs lighter or 4 inches taller, 5 lbs lighter means he's going to get pushed around down low.

Spud -> You can't count a 20 game sample at a 36 mpg rate. Also Spud -> This guy drafted in the 2nd round whose never played a minute in the NBA is > than a guy who was a steal middle of the 1st round 2 years ago....because I saw him be good in 24 mpg in Summer League. Mohammed Gueye 9 ppg, 5 rpg on 43% shooting in 24 minutes in summer league. Jalen 2 years ago SL. 19.0 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 57% shooting in 28 mpg. Spud's decision, Gueye > Jalen....because eye test.

If I have a concern, its that I haven't seen a lot of videos of the guys working out together. This is my current concern.

When you're asking yourself why you should get behind this? Just say this!

Look, I'm perfectly fine with people disagreeing with me and what I think is best for the Hawks. Totally get it. I just don't see the benefit in fighting it at this point. The kid is putting in the work this off-season. He makes 1/5 of what JC makes and outplayed him the last 20 games of the season. His per36 splits post Quin make him a better choice than Collins, especially at 1/5th the cost. His splits post all-star break per36 are 16/10/5. They're going to give him 25 minutes a game minutes and as much as 32 minutes based on how he performs. Its just better to get onboard and support him now. He's either going to start post training camp or very early on and he's your PF of the future. Its just the way it is. Its kind of like when people got electricity. Lots of people didn't like the idea of having to wire their homes. They had candles and who needs lights in the day time. But you know....best to get on board because electricity was the coming and you can't stop it. Barring injury, Jalen is your PF. Just get onboard. Koonin doesn't say something like that if that isn't the reality.

LOL, I just highlighted this in the Koonin thread.

4:53 on the clock, Koonin specifically calls out that Jalen Johnson will be like us getting a new player. We're excited, Quin Snyder is excited, etc....he insinuates Jalen Johnson is why we didn't make a big trade. Get on board folks. That's the way they want to go.

There's a feeling that Hunter is better than he's showing on the Hawks. Feeling that he has less room to work with Capela always in the lane, Trae demanding the ball so much. The feeling is on a team with a ranged center, etc, Hunter could evolve into a very good iso option/2nd option. I don't see him having that much talent but it only takes 1 team paying that for him. There is also no knowing what the offers/discussions are yet and who started them (us/them).