thecampster

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With Snyder coaching him, a good attitude and the right deal, I would 110% welcome Cam back.

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

Not my argument.  My argument centers around the previous arguments I had over this subject.  I said back then that JJJ was better than Ayton, Bamba, and Bagley.  Many argued that he was the 4th big among that group.  I was right.  

Yes, he did. He accepted my arguments for Trae at the time. He preferred JJJ over everyone else but was accepting of Trae as the pick.

15 minutes ago, Phunkabilly said:

Wow! That's crazy!

Yup, that's why you rarely see me argue with posters on trade proposals. You have no idea what your team will do in relation to the LT.  LT can get out of hand quick. This is why I think a trade package that saves Phoenix money, gives the a cheap asset or two can work.

4 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Suns, NOP, PTL, LAC, OKC may still be options?

@Sothron @thecampster @NBASupes

Trades can be completed Jul 6th. You won't hear much about trades (including rumors) until the 3rd through the 5th.

Due to the size of his deal, I would expect other teams to start fleshing out their rosters and DH/Capela movement would probably happen end of next week (8th/9th) at the earliest. Could happen faster or not at all but probably not until the biggest fish are caught 5th-7th.

NY was rumored to want to pick our roster dry. Some writer proposed DH for Hartenstein and Toppin + pick.  I had to think about it. I wasn't against it. Wasn't chompin.  I could see them wanting Clint as well.

I'd prefer not to weigh in on "who" wanted "who" because there was so much talk and its hard to determine what was serious and what was leverage.

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Who are/were teams rumored to be interested in Capela?

Suns, Houston, Clippers, Dallas, NOP

@thecampster @Sothron @NBASupes

 

15 minutes ago, Diesel said:

You said.. IF COLLINS BLOW UP in UTAH  AND IF JJ FAILS HERE that we STILL MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE.

IF you would like to sigh about something, sigh about this...  That's the Kool Aid drinkers punch.  Money over  Winning is what I see here.   Tell me how it's not. 

You want to talk about Net Negatives.  What has DeAndre Hunter Been?   The problem with shipping JC off for nothing my friend is that there were several other moves we could have done before we got to this one.  That would have made more sense and would have recouped us better value.   

Moreover, back to your original statement.  If Collins does Blow up in Utah, I believe that the correct diagnosis would be that we have been using him wrong.. which is something that everybody but statwatchers can see.  You care to tell us what happened after those two years of his career that he was a net positive?  Of course not, it requires dialogue about how our team has been set up. 

Here's the prediction for you camp... JC = Allstar next year. 

While we will sit here with financial solvency and using our TPE on Dario Saric or somebody.   Mark it down.

 

 

 

You realize JC plays the same position as Markannen?

25 players in the western conference that played power forward had a higher PER than Collins last year.....just helping you keep it real.

8 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Let me put my prediction out there.  The TPE is going to be used to get us to 15.   We just need 15 warm bodies.    Let me describe the next player for you.

Salary = less than 7.3 Million. 

That's it.

 Hell it can be a trade for 2 players.  Salary less than 7.3 Million. 

Don't get me wrong, that can fetch us somebody useful..

Like

Jonathan Kuminga.  GS needs to drop some salary. And instead of just not picking up his team option, they may get some second round picks out of us for him. 

I mentioned Franz Wagner...  simply because I am fearful of the truth of us going after Cole Anthony. 

Finny Smith and Royce Oneal make too much.. but Patty Mills is in our wheelhouse. 

Payton Pritchard is out there too. 

I just want to temper you with the truth.   The truth is that this was a salary dump.  We're not looking to take on too much salary... so get ready for us to get a JHoli/AHoli kind of pick up with the TPE.

 

We have other exceptions. We wouldn't blow the TPE just to get to 15.

I think everyone on this board would take Payton Pritchard to replace Aaron Holiday

32 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

Forget about him, he declined his $13 million PO, how much do you think he's asking for.

 

Kyle Kuzma is expected to be one of the hottest names on the market this summer after declining his $13 million player option for 2023-24 to become a free agent.

Whichever team hopes to land the former Washington Wizards star will have to cough up a lot of money with the 27-year-old eyeing $30 million annually on his next contract, according to Matt Moore of Action Network. 

He's going to sign for 4 years $15m per (ish)

Some JC stats

On the topic of "why John was traded." He only had 2 years with a positive +/-, his defensive rating has been in steady decline for 4 years.

Jalen's defensive rating last year, 112.5 (heavily shaded by his rough Nate inspired start and still finished only -10).

For those still wondering about this move, refer back to this post.  See "bigs giving marching order to be able to guard 3 positions", "Players targeted need to be able to guard 3 positions, create turnovers, change of possession."

Riddle me this....does that sound like JC since the finger injury to you?

11 minutes ago, txsting said:

Furthermore, if it's not obvious to all, the TPE (key word "traded") can only be used in a trade.  You can't buy free agents with it.

sign n trade works

One point of speculation nobody has mentioned (that I saw) was does this open up time for OO at the 4 and Bruno as the backup 5?

@kg01  Why so glum chum?

42 minutes ago, KB21 said:

This is less a Clint vs Ayton and more of an Ayton has never really been very good issue.  Theoretically, he can play away from the basket.  He's another mid range guy who doesn't shoot threes and isn't very efficient on the shots he does take.  He had big regression this year in his defense as well, and I don't see him as a guy who can guard on the perimeter at all.

IMHO, he's overpaid.  If he were making $20 million a year he'd be considered a steal and that's the rub. It isn't Ayton = bad, it's Ayton hasn't earned being paid $32 million.

At worst, JC and JJ = same impact, but JJ has more impact and needs the playing time.

JC = $23.9 million in salary

JJ = $2.9 million in salary

Same production (at least) for $21 million less.  By the end of the season, all the crocodile tears will dry up.

18 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Love to.

When you come off the bench, you have the luxury of playing against guys who didn't game plan for you.   Normally, you are lesser known because you're coming off the bench.   Moreover, you're catching starters that are tired and you're catching 2nd stringers who you may be better than.   So it's EASY to look good when you come off the bench.   It's hard to "keep that same energy" when you start.   

One place where you can see a measurable difference is "the playoffs".   In a playoff series, the other team gets to do some advanced scouting.   They get to game plan for all 12 players.   Somebody ( @thecampster) said that JJ crushed JC this past season.   However, what happened in the playoffs?

 

The eye test was no better.   

But we're going to be put in a situation where we will play JJ.  We're hoping he's our Draymond but he better get in the weight room. 

 

I said last 30 games.

Post All-star break, under Quinn

He was a better finisher, rebounder, facilitator, shot blocker, steals.  

Getting 2x as many assists, 3x as many steals, 4x as many blocks, 50% more rebounds.....you're doing more to turn the tide...simple as that.  most games come down to a few possessions....those plays matter....being active matters.  Many times those last 30 games, JC was very inactive which is why his rebounding numbers continue to fall, his block/steals numbers fall.  JC creates "zero" defensive chaos.

9 minutes ago, Marvin24Williams said:

Lol whats next? Capela for 2nd rounders and some chicken wings?

Wait....what flavor wings?

My personal opinion (just an opinion) is they're considering throwing that exception or at least a good bit of it at Rui Hachimura or Kyle Kuzma but that's just my speculation.

I didn't...I did a dumb.

5 minutes ago, AHF said:

 

It is totally fair to say that we need to see the full offseason before judging.  But I think to marry these two posts the activity going forward needs to include something that really moves the needle and not just minor moves to finish off the roster if people are going to feel differently about this deal.

Like getting rid of salary in order to land Dikembe Mutombo felt great.  Getting rid of Huerter for Justin Holiday and extras felt pretty terrible.

I don't actually see the exceptions if you posted them.