thecampster

https://www.blazersedge.com/2023/6/28/23777940/nba-free-agency-news-portland-trail-blazers-cam-reddish-qualifying-offer-unrestricted-stats-draft With Snyder coaching him, a good attitude and the right deal, I would 110% welcome Cam back.

Yes, he did. He accepted my arguments for Trae at the time. He preferred JJJ over everyone else but was accepting of Trae as the pick.

Yup, that's why you rarely see me argue with posters on trade proposals. You have no idea what your team will do in relation to the LT. LT can get out of hand quick. This is why I think a trade package that saves Phoenix money, gives the a cheap asset or two can work.

Trades can be completed Jul 6th. You won't hear much about trades (including rumors) until the 3rd through the 5th. Due to the size of his deal, I would expect other teams to start fleshing out their rosters and DH/Capela movement would probably happen end of next week (8th/9th) at the earliest. Could happen faster or not at all but probably not until the biggest fish are caught 5th-7th.

NY was rumored to want to pick our roster dry. Some writer proposed DH for Hartenstein and Toppin + pick. I had to think about it. I wasn't against it. Wasn't chompin. I could see them wanting Clint as well. I'd prefer not to weigh in on "who" wanted "who" because there was so much talk and its hard to determine what was serious and what was leverage.

You realize JC plays the same position as Markannen? 25 players in the western conference that played power forward had a higher PER than Collins last year.....just helping you keep it real.

We have other exceptions. We wouldn't blow the TPE just to get to 15. I think everyone on this board would take Payton Pritchard to replace Aaron Holiday

Audible sigh. Hey wait, does that reaction count as histrionics? We had Collins, we were not a championship club. Nothing in his metrics or trends points to him being a championship type player. He was a net negative last year and has been all but 2 years of his career. That makes his impact average, not championship quality. That can't be your 2nd highest paid player. It just can't. I suggest you pour one out for Collins and move on.

This!!! When tanking, a number of us begged for a pivot, not a tank. This is why. Yes we got Trae, but Cam, Huerter, Collins now all gone. Most NBA Champs don't tank their way there. Culture, development, savvy trades.

I think the important thing to realize is they didn't just clear up $23 million this year. This deal gives them increasing flexibility for 3 years. John was the 2nd highest paid player and commanded 17% of the cap. No progress possible with that hanging over their heads. If he blows up in Utah and Jalen lays an egg, I'll stick to my guns and say this was the right move, right now.

He's going to sign for 4 years $15m per (ish)

Some JC stats Year DRTG (lower is better) +/- 2017-18 107.8 -217 2018-19 114.6 -76 2019-20 112.2 -165 2020-21 112.4 183 2021-22 113.4 36 2022-23 115.3 -21 On the topic of "why John was traded." He only had 2 years with a positive +/-, his defensive rating has been in steady decline for 4 years. Jalen's defensive rating last year, 112.5 (heavily shaded by his rough Nate inspired start and still finished only -10).

For those still wondering about this move, refer back to this post. See "bigs giving marching order to be able to guard 3 positions", "Players targeted need to be able to guard 3 positions, create turnovers, change of possession." Riddle me this....does that sound like JC since the finger injury to you?

sign n trade works

One point of speculation nobody has mentioned (that I saw) was does this open up time for OO at the 4 and Bruno as the backup 5?

@kg01 Why so glum chum?

IMHO, he's overpaid. If he were making $20 million a year he'd be considered a steal and that's the rub. It isn't Ayton = bad, it's Ayton hasn't earned being paid $32 million.

At worst, JC and JJ = same impact, but JJ has more impact and needs the playing time. JC = $23.9 million in salary JJ = $2.9 million in salary Same production (at least) for $21 million less. By the end of the season, all the crocodile tears will dry up.

I said last 30 games. Post All-star break, under Quinn All-Star Break G Min FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% OR DR Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts JC Post-All Star 21 27:22:00 4.8 9.3 51.3 1.4 3.8 38 1.9 2.4 78 1 4.1 5.1 1.1 1 0.4 0.5 2.7 12.8 Per36 6.3 12.2 51.3 1.8 5.0 38.0 2.5 3.2 78.0 1.3 5.4 6.7 1.4 1.3 0.5 0.7 3.6 16.8 JJ Post-All Star 15 16:46 3.1 5.8 52.9 0.5 1.5 30.4 0.6 1.1 52.9 0.7 3.9 4.6 2.2 0.9 0.9 0.7 2.3 7.2 Per36 6.7 12.5 52.9 1.1 3.2 30.4 1.3 2.4 52.9 1.5 8.4 9.9 4.7 1.9 1.9 1.5 4.9 15.5 He was a better finisher, rebounder, facilitator, shot blocker, steals. Getting 2x as many assists, 3x as many steals, 4x as many blocks, 50% more rebounds.....you're doing more to turn the tide...simple as that. most games come down to a few possessions....those plays matter....being active matters. Many times those last 30 games, JC was very inactive which is why his rebounding numbers continue to fall, his block/steals numbers fall. JC creates "zero" defensive chaos. Wait....what flavor wings?

Trade exceptions created in non-simultaneous trades can’t be combined with one another, with other exceptions, or with a player’s salary; they can’t be used to sign a free agent (except in a sign-and-trade); and they can’t be traded outright to another team. So with the above. You can send cash, draft picks or rights. But you can't send a signed player. So Gay + $8,000,000 of the exception does not work for another player. But future picks + exception = Rui/Kuzma or other. The salary difference is baked in so its not exception+ a %....that % is already baked in. However, you can do the trade with a 3rd team, or 2 trades to make it work. So currently we're over the cap. But if a similar salary dump happens (holds waived, rights to non-guarantees waived) and then Clint finds a new home, you are under the cap and could make this happen. It's not ideal but dropping Collins isn't done in a bubble. But again, if I had to bet money, they're planning to sign a 3 and D free agent and use the extension in a sign n trade or similar trade for someone else's cap problem. This was about executing a trade for Collins in 2 steps, not 1.

My personal opinion (just an opinion) is they're considering throwing that exception or at least a good bit of it at Rui Hachimura or Kyle Kuzma but that's just my speculation.

A $25.4 million exception (which can be split), meaning Atlanta doesn't have to send additional player compensation (but probably would non-guarantees) and could send draft capital instead. Simplifies the trade from Phoenix's end. Phoenix needs that cap relief.

1 thing to consider.... Statistically speaking, the last 30 games, Jalen Johnson wiped the floor with JC stats wise, effectiveness wise, defensively vs his man.

Ayton is a big, offensive threat we don't have. He is also able to operate outside the lane. If you can believe it, our offense gets miles better with him on the floor because he can step out farther than the 5 feet Clint could. Way more room for Trae/DJM to operate, room for cutters if he's the Center and every bit as terrifying in a lob situation. Offensively, we could easily be tops in the NBA with a little bit of 3 point shooting. Defensively he's physically bigger than Clint. Clint = better help defense against penetration. Ayton = no longer just getting abused by every big bruiser. Ayton's physical size and ability to slide his feet means much less movement on defense, length to cover/recover on pick n roll. He's not perfect and if we acquired him we'd be banking on change of scenery, maturity. Like everyone I have motor questions. But I also know Clint has missed an average of 15 games per season the last 3 years, all of which have affected our win %, playoff positioning. Clint misses on average 18% of games. Ayton hasn't performed better but there are concerns from my end about Clint's long term health, size, post defense, effectiveness against bigger bigs.

I didn't...I did a dumb.