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One other note, the trade of Collins creates a $25.3 million trade exception. This is a very Bostonesque move. We still have the following exceptions available.
Also, they aren't done.
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27 minutes ago, AHF said:Wow. That is a true dump deal.
Anyone ready with the impact on our cap space for this offseason?
Gay - $6.4 million this season
JC - 25.3 million
Savings $18.9 Million
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/cap/
2023-24 Atlanta Hawks Salary Cap Totals
The Hawks are currently over the league salary cap. This means Cap Holds & Exceptions are NOT included in their Total Cap Allocations, and renouncing these figures will not afford them any cap space. The team may only sign outside players using any available exceptions or at league minimum salaries.
CAP TYPE CAP TOTAL Active Roster Cap $151,604,314 Cap Holds $7,914,566 Total Cap Allocations $159,518,880
(One of those holds is Bufkin...other 2 are Holiday and Forrest).
This leaves us between $10 million and $6 million under the LT.
$8 million of the contracts are not guaranteed. $3.8 million of the holds you could flip a coin to if they're back.
FYI, let me state it again. The focus in the offseason is finding, eliminating players who cannot defend 3 positions. Theirs, up 1, down 1. Finding/eliminating players who do not cause change of possession without a shot.
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3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:
This is the Trae stan talk I am talking about. When NC does it, it's the same damn thing which is why it shouldn't be here but because you like Trae, you are talking sides. I will admit, these posts shouldn't be here. Nor should his. It has nothing to do with anything about this thread.
OMFG, I need one of you meme creators to merge the Eminem Stan video but put Trae's hair on the guy....please....I'll pay in likes.
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3 minutes ago, LucastheThird said:
Well, that was an interesting read. I just have one question to ask before going back to lurking and reading the insider's information.
Who was the magical wing that Trae held down and flourished once they got away from Trae?
2018 - 2019
2019 - 2020
2020 - 2021
2021 - 2022
I'm willing to admit I was wrong if someone can point them out, but I don't see one. Huerter making 1 extra 3 per game this last season does not count as flourishing in my book.I think they're intimating team success.
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Hey just got a response. I have been told the "must not pay the LT" talk is blown up and is a hold over from pre-Quinn. The current line is closer to wanting a cost per win analysis.
18 Hawks 41 719,787 17,555 104.0 41 18,053 94.8 82 17,804 99.1%
Basically the Hawks were 18th in attendance but with little room for more ticket sales. The average price per ticket is $69. This means Hawks revenue was about $50 million from ticket sales alone (I'll see if I can get a solid amount there). No idea what their beer/concessions/pro shop/parking take looked like. About 55% of team outlays are salary. So with a salary around $150 million....its safe to say the Hawks spend $225 to $275 million per year on the team.
The league receives about $10 billion a year in shared revenue split evenly among the teams after overhead. Basically each team receives about $300 million from the league. This seems like we have room to spend but remember how the Luxury tax is a rapidly ascending staircase. $20 million over in salary can wipe out all profits with a $60 million luxury tax bill.
The problem here is the only way for the Hawks to really increase revenue is jersey sales, advertising and going deeper in the playoffs (they make more per game played). so the cost analysis is "if I'm going to spend into the LT, I need to know we're going to make the round of 4. or better.
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The above is the kind of dirt, ownership disfunction teams would prefer not be talked about. The assistants are probably under NDA's as a part of their separation agreements. Just remember I was telling you all about DH being unhappy, potentially being moved after the season a month+ ago. Big thing here is I'm getting a narrative. The total truth is probably close, but who knows exactly.
10 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:I definitely want to hear more about this. Now since all of the assistant coaches are gone, maybe some of them can go into more detail.
Maybe Trae needs to get one of them on his podcast.
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17 minutes ago, Watchman said:The math doesn't agree with you either. 3+5=8. There are 82 games in a season. Simple observation implies at least 30 wins, based on 80 games, perhaps 31 based on rounding with the 2 additional games.
3+6=9 9/82= .101 3/.101 = 29....you're both wrong.
Yay now I got to make people feel dumb....okay all better now.
FYI 29 is still 12 less than 41. But since Trae was out 9 games and we were 38/35 when he played that means if he's played every game we would have been 42.7 and 40.3.....so technically a 13.7 game difference between Trae/noTrae....however the sample size is too small to draw any real conclusions.
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23 minutes ago, bleachkit said:
Histrionics is not really that obscure of a word.
Appreciate it....no one had made me feel dumber than dog dirt in a few weeks.....appreciate you keeping me grounded.
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1 minute ago, Mikey said:
Man talking about kevin huerter like he did anything in the playoffs. Wide open threes left and right bricked them all. 9 PPG on 34% FROM THE FIELD 30% FROM 3. Yup thats why sac is where they are currently.... not sabonis and fox being a great duo. Must be trae fault kevin couldn't thit shots in the playoffs too right. If they had any other player out there they would have whooped the warriors but kevin is a specialist and unplayable in the playoffs
To be fair, the playoffs are as much about rest as anything else. The players are beat up, legs spent those last few weeks of the season. They're also dealing with the flu, spring allergies, any litany of things come April/May. Positioning yourself with 3 games left where your playoff positioning is set is more important than anything else. The extra play in game hurt the Hawks terribly where for some crazy reason it helped Miami...helped them get motivated.
Rest heading into the playoffs and a 1st round sweep > pretty much everything come playoff time. After round 1 I called Denver to win it all, basically I didn't see any team playing well enough in Denver (altitude) to last an entire series. Miami won a game there but it took a toll on their bodies.
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Average ticket price $100. If acquiring player x = 3,000 more tickets sold per game for 41 games = $12,300,000 in revenue + concessions, merchandise, local tv revenue, parking. First and foremost its a business. This is exactly how teams think.
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19 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:
Can you elaborate on the bolded?
Not really. Basically, a series of things they lost confidence in the direction and Schlenk. Huerter was the last straw.
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Let me show you this in action see below.
See the below, which shows the stories generated post draft. 3 teams actively discussed.....Detroit, Indy, Dallas.
Also notice the words used. Detroit / Indy articles showing what a potential trade would look like. Dallas article explaining why they turned it down (damage control). This stuff is leaked to journalists with generic deal frameworks to see if the fanbase would be pro/against...ie. would it generate buzz. For teams not expecting to be top 8, this is their world...revenue generation.
Now prior to the draft (6 days prior), I engaged with a member of the board (not the insider private thread) to tell them this was going on. see screenshot below. The conversation was much deeper than just this snippet and involved other stuff as well all of which came out before draft night. I held back info because I was pretty annoyed by the pushback from some members of the board.
The Hunter conversation. I alluded last week to sitting on something and I talked with others on the board about this but before hiring Quinn, we almost blew it up and moved forward with Prunty. This is all related to the coach flare ups over playing time, Nate's system. Had we not hired Nate, we would have reloaded/rebuilt with Prunty (Prunty is not a name that attracts free agents though players are fond of him). Staying would have been Trae, OO, AJ, JJ and anyone we couldn't move for prospects.
Schlenk was forced out over the team disconnect with Nate and most importantly, when Huerter was blowing up in Sacramento, it led to the Resslers needing to go in a different direction. Landry was hired for a rebuild, not a reload....Quinn changed that. I'm holding back a bit but you get the gist. The team has been reassessing ever since.
Dallas almost bit on their Hunter deal but in the end couldn't pull the trigger. There were 3 frameworks with Dallas, 1 centered on CC, one on JC and 1 on DH. Dallas is afraid they're about to miss their window with Luka. Luka loves LA and wants that spotlight. Luka would take a move to NY in a heartbeat. Dallas is doing whatever they can to keep him happy.
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42 minutes ago, JTB said:what can our insiders let us know?
Most of the things discussed pre-draft are still on the table. There are advantages to some getting done before June 30, some to after June 30th....nothing worth really discussing, just advantages being in front of others, getting done first, lining up your ducks.
All of the stories you see in the paper right now are "temperature checks". This is normal team OSINT for fan bases. You push articles through partner journalists to see how the fan base reacts. How the comments react, how message boards respond, private polls of season ticket holders.
Works like this...post rumor mill you'll see journalists publish "proposed" or "rumored" trades. They'll include player names and sometimes multiple scenarios. People being people will sound off in the comments with "hell yah" or "I don't want that scrub". They'll pull in what they can get and determine how those changes would affect ticket sales, enthusiasm, etc. This survey of the fanbase pushes about 1/4 of trades over the finish line.
A smidge of team thinking.....Only about 6-10 teams a year believe they can compete that year and only about 1/2 of teams think they can seriously compete the next 3 years. For everyone else, their moves are as much or more about tickets sales, tv ratings. Its a business. So they're pushing buttons to see if acquiring player X creates a buzz. That's what Indy is/was doing with DH. Seeing if acquiring him would give their fanbase hope, increase ticket sales. You can watch these articles and temperature check how teams feel about their own chances. If they're temperature checking their fanbase, they don't think they can compete this year or the next few but they still want your money.
Baseball is notorious for this. Every time they acquire a player, are making a trade...billboards are up 12 hours later....its all planned for hype. Gotta get those ticket sales in before July when those same teams dump salary.
As for "new" info. There won't be anything significant, different that draft night until right before July 6th when trades can be completed....usually beings about 3 days before.
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9 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:
Oh please....staaaaap..you are the only one going off the rails. NC stated his case, just state yours without the added histrionics.
Histrionics.....is that a winner for $5 word of the day or a dollar in the swear jar....not sure but either way, well done!
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1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:
By the way, does anyone know the next date that will be a large impetus for trades? Free agency signings maybe? I know @thecampster had a post with all the key dates recently, but I suck at searching/finding older posts.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04/key-2023-nba-offseason-dates-deadlines.html
June 29
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Last day for decisions on player, team, and early termination options
- Note: Certain contracts will require earlier decisions.
- Last day for teams to make qualifying offers to players eligible for restricted free agency.
June 30
- Last official day of the 2022/23 NBA league year.
- Last day for players eligible for veteran extensions in 2022/23 to sign them.
- Teams can begin negotiating with free agents (5:00 pm CT).
July 1
- Official start of the 2023/24 NBA league year.
- Moratorium period begins.
- Restricted free agents can sign an offer sheet.
- Teams can begin signing players to rookie scale contracts, minimum salary contracts, and two-way contracts.
- Teams can begin exercising the third- or fourth-year team options for 2024/25 on rookie scale contracts.
July 6
- Moratorium period ends (11:01 am CT)
- Teams can begin officially signing players, extending players, and completing trades (11:01 am CT).
- The 24-hour period for matching an RFA offer sheet signed during the moratorium begins (11:01 am CT).
July 7-17
- Las Vegas Summer League.
July 13
- Last day for teams to unilaterally withdraw qualifying offers to restricted free agents.
August 31
- Last day for teams to waive players and apply the stretch provision to their 2023/24 salaries.
September 5
- Last day for teams to issue required tenders to unsigned second-round picks; those players become free agents on September 6 if not tendered.
Late September (specific dates TBA)
- Training camps open.
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Last day for decisions on player, team, and early termination options
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2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:
Phoenix has potential trade partners right now for Ayton. Pushing this on social media is just a negotiation tactic on their behalf.
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Fits the guard 3 positions goal of Quinn
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Checking in from the bowling alley. No action here yet either.
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fun fact, according to our site statistics, this thread has now eclipsed 124,700 views.
Now back to draft talk.
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I will not engage!
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Just now, Spud2nique said:
Never said they weren’t, just said I MIGHT!
Ps @Sothron saw that you gave camp
️ a like for his insight on the Indy deal not being dead but not any reaction for the Mavs deal not being dead huh? Insiders stick together. All good I’ll fly solo and dominate anyways as I always do!
At least you've come to accept my likes are hard to come by...except for KG
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1 minute ago, ShooterSays said:
Are there any big time free agents next year we could possibly be trying to get under the cap for?
If we trade out of space tonight, Rui is in play. Long shot though.
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2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:Neither is the Mavs deal from what I’m hearing per my sources.
By the end of the night, we could have a few new pieces, 7 and 10. But Clint and DH will be gone.
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2023-24 Insider Information Thread
in Homecourt
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Salary dump + exceptions means Ayton / CC swap may be back in play.
Phoenix desperately needs assets to put around their core while needed to drop salary. Hawks have 4 non guaranteed contracts on the books, a few draft assets to package with Clint for Ayton.