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9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Cam ain't garbage bro. That's your personal take bro. 

Anyway to your next point, you are right  the NBA is more talented than it used to be. You know why? Because the drafts are a lot better. 

We don't know where our picks will be with Murray or with this current squad. Murray isn't Gobert, he's not even SGA. He's the same tier with JC.

So here is my not popular take. I've made it before. PF is the easiest position in the NBA to find serviceable talent. They are less injury prone than wings, less variance in skillet, less negative and positive impact on winning than the other positions.  A few exceptions exist at the top of the curve, but the PF skillset has become no more than a necessary evil. Skill level wise Murray and JC are very equal. Impact is a harder sell.  Murray vs other combo guards > JC vs other PF (game impact).

Is it 3 pick worthy? Maybe but not without another plan.

Consider how when JC was out we won with Gallo. Not too many guards could step in to Murray's shoes last year and that's the rub. Value at the position, not stats or skills overall.

24 minutes ago, TRW said:

What happens to this board when we give 4 1st's and OO for Dejounte.

Well first, someone is going to have to watch @NBASupes 24x7 and take his shoelaces.  Next, I'm going to have take a break to make 2 bags of microwave popcorn, melt some butter and cheese to pour over it and pour a tall cold beverage. Last, I'll have one of the lawyers on the site sue the Spurs organization for all the wasted bandwidth and the ensuing fires to the server room

   You're welcome!

8 minutes ago, AHF said:

No need to walk.  Just stand firm on your offer and don't stop exploring other possibilities.  You frequently see people testing the market to come crawling back to take what they were already offered.  Think of Kyrie just this week as an example where he was getting ready to write his ticket to a max deal with a new team but came back and took what was already on the table when he figured out that wasn't happening.  It makes perfect sense.  JC did that in free agency where we made him an offer, he tried to do better, couldn't do better, and came back to sign on the dotted line.

I'm about to negotiate a new salary for a promotion and I'm terrified of that very thing. I hate negotiating. Hate that feeling of asking, getting rejected and having to slide down to the offer. There is no worse feeling than an over reach in negotiating. Always fearful you blew the deal altogether.  The old rule of you never accept the first offer but what if the first offer is the best offer?

Okay folks, and now its time to have "this" conversation.

"https://cbabreakdown.com/trades

• No Re-Acquisitions — Once a team trades a player, it cannot reacquire that player during the same season. If the team trades a player between seasons, it cannot reacquire that player until the end of the next season. The only exceptions to these rules are if the player is waived and no other team claims the player."

Okay so the very odd Gallo salary paradox.  Technically if we trade Gallo today and San Antonio waives Gallo tomorrow. We can safely assume that no team is claiming Gallo because it would mean paying him $21.45 million next year. What if the whole plan is to then sign him back for a vet minimum.

The interesting concept here is we are currently on the hook for Gallo for that salary.  But the possibility here is Gallo likes it here. The "guarantee" is to waive Gallo for an amount close enough that if he is resigned here after waived that he won't lose any or very little salary. With the tax payer MLE available, we would have $6.392 million to pay him to come back.  So if the guarantee ends up $13.2 million and we gave Gallo the 10 year vet minimum to come back ($2.72 million), the end result of the deal would be giving up 3 firsts but getting Murray, keeping Gallo and saving 3 million.

Chew on that today while waiting on the shoe to drop.

11 minutes ago, JTB said:

Bogi Traded for Cap space only is your assumption?

im Cool with getting Delon back just wondering if bogi and bring back a better player possibly. Not that Delon wasn’t good for us this past season.

Bogi and Capela for Gobert is still possible but not without the picks to go with it.

More likely Bogi for a couple of filler players....TLC types. You won't have to pay to ship Bogi. Bogi can shoot and there are always a few teams needing a shooter.  But Murray is the upgrade to Bogi. He's now expendable. Bogi is a 2.  Huerter can play both the 2 and 3 off the bench and is a lower salary. He's not going anywhere unless its to land an upgrade.

Once Murray is in stable, I fully expect BB to be traded after moratorium. They like Wright and want him back. They'll need to make that room.

So here's what I think is being worked out.

When Collins was the bigger salary, the salary difference didn't matter because the Hawks would be going down in salary, San Antonio would not be going above the cap.

With Gallo and the guarantee only being $5 million, that's not enough to get the deal done. Now SAS would like to waive Gallo immediately after the trade. The less the better. The least that amount can be and still work for the Hawks salary wise is about $13,200,000. Meaning the guarantee amount of the Gallo contract would be up'd to approximately that amount. This is something that Gallo must sign off on since its technically a rework of his contract. So Gallo has some power here and that would require the Hawks to probably kick some cash back San Antonio's way to make up the difference.  Now remember the $2 million they got on draft night???  They're most probably diddling over that and good on Gallo for getting every dime he can since he may take the now bigger paycheck to go play back in Europe this year.

10 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I'm at work for a Fortune 500 company. I can't keep up with an almost 200 page thread bro lol

Slacker!!!

Just now, nathan2331 said:

Now if we can pull off a swap of Murray for Gallo, do we look to move one of Bogi or Huerter? Or do we let Delon walk? I suppose we could keep everyone and bring Delon, Bogi and Huerter of the bench. That would be an embarrassment of riches.

Most likely, Bogi is then moved in another deal and Wright is brought back at the right price.

11 minutes ago, akay said:

Get it done Mr Travis!!

If this were to happen, the Cap impact would set us at about $154 million with 5 players to sign. One reminder, we own the rights to D.Wright, Knox, Cooper, Mays and would not have to follow cap rules to resign them. But because Gallo was not waived it would take us completely out of the Ayton conversation due to BYC.