thecampster

JC makes $23,500,000. Ayton's trade amount would be $19 million max. Now stay with me. When you sign and trade you can sign and trade "that player" immediately. Not that player and another player to make up the difference. You can trade that player for 1 and another player for another with the same team in a different order to even things out but all of the rules are the signed player for met salaries. Any columnist (including Hollinger) needs to check his rules. The wording is odd but you are sending the player...no other assets, no picks, nothing. The return can be multiple assets but the send is the player only. You can sign n trade the player in an immediate transaction. This means you can't sign then bundle.

Clint Capela, Bogdan Bogdanovic, No. 16 pick is plenty. The 2024 pick would be franchise suicide. You want that pick and you want it in the 20's for an end of the bench type on cheap salary you can develop. That's how winning teams secure dynasties. They shoot their shot on high risk, high reward types in the end of the 1st round.

In his scenario, he was trying to figure out why all the rules on an Ayton trade. In order for BYC to not kick in, they have to be under the cap when they complete the signing for Ayton. In order for us to trade for $30 million in salary, and send out similar to what we bring in without going over the cap (to just eliminate rules altogether, we'd want to get under the cap too. That's all.

Had to clear a few more million just to get us under the cap because we'd be taking back more than sending out in the end.

I'm wincing at Capela and Kevin....not against it but I think Kevin has more value being on a long contract, cheaper than Bogi and considerably younger with better knees. Kevin is valuable. He may not be all world to us but other teams look at him and see oodles of potential on a competing roster. One other thing to consider with Bogi, JC, Kevin, Hunter and their value. Their stats do not tell the whole story. They play in an offense where Trae gets 28 points for himself nightly and gets 10 points a night for CC. They have little to no opportunity to create for themselves (something all 4 have shown they can do to some extent). Teams, especially ones looking for an offensive lift and needing someone to put up shots see more in them than we do. We don't need people to hold the ball and put up shots. Some teams do. The only one in this group that may have less in value than his stats show is Bogi due to his health concerns/age. The other 3 are worth more than their stats. Figure that in.

Let me use your scenario. 1st waive Gallo. You aren't trading Gallo without taking back similar salary. Down to $136 million salary + hold for 2022 pick ($3.46 mil). Send Bogi to SAS for #9. Bogi salary $18 mil - cap hold of $4.95 mil (13.05 million cleared). New cap = $123 mil. Now just to get under the cap, clear $2 million more....Say trade JC for (insert 20 million player here). Okay, you are now under the cap but the problem is Phoenix is also over the cap by $8 million (active salaries only). You must now clear them under the cap by the amount of Ayton's outgoing salary + 8 million before engaging the trade for normal trade rules to apply. Its a complicated mess for sure. Doable, yes in some universe but it ain't happening here without a fire sale.

I have my thoughts on it. I truly feel Gobert is a better fit next to JC, more mature than Ayton but I'm also not sure JC is staying if the trade is for Gobert. They could save salary by moving JC and moving JJ into the starting role or let him learn from the bench for 1 year behind Gallo. Its a bit fluid there. JJ can rebound, Gobert can rebound and both are very long. There is a cut game and a ball on the floor game that JJ brings that JC does not. JC's spot up game, put back game and defensive feel is better at this point but JJ would be a great fit in 2 years across from Gobert (assuming he stays healthy/mobile). I think JC the person would be a bigger loss than JC the player. JC has heart and a good feel for his teammates/the locker room. I feel we might need that chemistry with all the older vets moving on the last few years.

That ain't right. You can't package a player with an SnT. Also on the failed trade, I'm not 100% sure that's accurate with the cap figure vs cap figure for trades. Not sure I'm trusting that trade calculator.

No. Even without Gallo we're at $136 million in salary. We're over, they're over even after waivers/renouncing. Both teams are over. Its a BYC situation. 20% salary raise, team will be over the cap when trade complete.

Disclaimer: Only an explanation of a possible scenario. I am not saying this is a rumor. Please for the love of all that is round and bounces, no one attribute this to me. San Antonio only has $82 million in rostered salary right now. Atlanta Out: Capela, Bogi, #16 Atlanta In: Ayton (SnT) Phoenix Out: Ayton (SnT) Phoenix In: Capela, #9 San Antonio Out: #9 San Antonio In: Bogi, #16. Yes, this works. I'm not recommending it as the best use of resources, but it works.

yes, should be 125% + 100k. So more like $19 mil flat. So the matching amount is 50% of the new contract (in this instance). So matching 125% + 100k off that.

lemme check that 25%...be a minute

Just answered. BYC would apply. The problem is being able to send limited assets back.

That is a really good point I hadn't considered. For those wondering what Jaybird is saying here. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/05/hoops-rumors-glossary-base-year-compensation.html " The BYC rules apply to a player who meets the following criteria in a sign-and-trade: He is a Bird or Early Bird free agent. His new salary is worth more than the minimum. He receives a raise greater than 20%. His team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing. If the player meets those criteria and is included in a sign-and-trade deal, his outgoing salary for matching purposes is considered to be his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. For the team he is being signed-and-traded to, his incoming figure for matching purposes is his full new salary." That new contract is $30,250,000. Phoenix is over the cap and will be approaching the LT with the signing or trade. His outgoing salary would be either higher of $ 12,632,950 or "$15,125,000". The amount Phoenix could take back would have to be within 25% of that number or about $18.9 mil.

Would you be willing to run that same stat breakdown for Huerter, BB, JC, Clint (apologies for the big ask)?

I find it extremely interesting since we don't own the 17th pick, we own the 16th pick. But how dialed in do we expect a twitter account called "Hawks Fan TV" to be?

If we add you and Spud, people will no longer have to ask

I knew it was you Little Finger

Follow up. See Brooklyn deferring Phillys pick to next year. Bill move considering having Embiid makes them a top 4 contender in the East every year.

Usually they are but the number of teams seeing that value this year is low. Most playoff level teams see vet min contracts as more valuable this year over rookie deals. Exact opposite of last year.

Use spotrac. Its much easier to understand once you take a minute to read it and its updated more frequently. See bolded below. 2022-23 Luxury Tax Totals Denotes the Hawks current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below). TYPE TOTALS 2022 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $149,000,000 Total Taxable Salaries $152,789,507 Current Luxury Tax Space $-3,789,507 Est. Luxury Tax Bill $5,684,261 2022-23 Atlanta Hawks Salary Cap Totals The Hawks are currently over the league salary cap. This means Cap Holds & Exceptions are NOT included in their Total Cap Allocations, and renouncing these figures will not afford them any cap space. The team may only sign outside players using any available exceptions or at league minimum salaries. CAP TYPE CAP TOTAL Active Roster Cap $152,789,507 Cap Holds $59,740,522 Total Cap Allocations $212,530,029 Salary Cap Maximum 2022 NBA Salary Cap Max $122,000,000 Current Cap Space $-90,530,029

And try to remember the order you resign people/make trades matters, but if you are resigning your own player, the cap hold until he is resigned matters. So if you are resigning say Knox to a minimum deal, his cap hold remains until he is resigned.

Read here. By waiving Gallow and ditching all of our cap holds, we're at $136 million (ish). I do not understand nor accept your math of $109 million. I think you are missing something. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/cap/ In my post, go to contingency 1: Add buckets 1 and 2 and you have all the guarantees except for Gallo's 16.45 million unguaranteed but including his $5 million guaranteed. $136,339,507. Please explain the discrepancy.

One of the more interesting parts of this time of year (and one of the reasons I'm not really proctoring an opinion on future moves right now) is that teams willfully spread disinformation in order to obfuscate their draft intentions and offseason plans. My guess is Kirschner is either click baiting or is being pawned.

IMHO this is just click bait. I've heard nothing.