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You can't bundle a player signed and traded with another player. It would have to be 2 separate deals.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-two-time-euroleague-finals-120024847.html Interesting player with rights owned by OKC.

Lets try to be civil!

Okay, I think I can explain this better using a simple math table. Assuming for a second the players not involved in any hypothetical scenario are: Trae, JJ. All of Collins, Gallo, Capela, BB, Huerter, Hunter, OO are technically available in the trade bucket (Cap numbers only). 3rd group are cap holds, That gives you 3 very specific financial buckets. Bucket 1: $39,392,640 in salary. Bucket 2: $113,396,867 contingent salary. Bucket 3: $59,740,522. Technically flexible since you can waive/resign any of these players at any time. Contingencies. If you waive Gallo before June 29. Bucket 1: $44,392,640 Bucket 2: $91,946,867 Okay, so you're building the Hawks. Your salary is bucket 1+bucket 2 + bucket 3 based on who you waive/gets resigned elsewhere/gets resigned here. But for the purpose of the offseason and shenanigans you can kind of ignore bucket 3. Its flexible (ish). Starting salary is either $152,789,507, 136,339,507. If the scenario is Levine/Gobert, You sign your own free agents first, waive your rights on the rest, SnT for Levine 2nd and the LT is no obstacle. Then you complete the Gobert deal. If the scenario is Ayton/Levine, same basic scenario but you can resign less of your own free agents and will incur some small empty roster holds. If the scenario includes Randle and either of the above scenarios, it gets very tricky. The LT is $149,000,000. Meaning you pretty much have to renounce all of your free agents and send out your 1st round pick in trade in either of the 1st 2 deals because Gallo's salary is still on the roster and you're starting at $152 mil. This is still possible but not a probable outcome. Consider any deal involving Randle as an "OR" scenario and not an "AND". But if it was 2 + Randle it would be complete the SnT's first, then Gobert deal (more salary back) or Ayton deal if less money is coming back goes first and Levine SnT second...then Randle. It will all work, but it would require grave sacrifice on the lower end of the tree. The major trick available here is to take back 2nd round picks in any hypothetical draft night trades as they have the cheapest cap holds. Disclaimer: Again, I am not in favor of, advocating for or saying this is what's happening. I just wanted some simple math to explain when others say it isn't possible, to show possible is possible, it just takes sacrifice and really bad future planning.

As a matter of math.

If we brought in Randle, it would be to replace JC who would go out in another deal. All theoretical. I'll weigh in more on what I believe we're doing after 6/15. The rumor, which fyi is a bit dated now, was Randle was offered to us, not we're seeking him out.

I can say with 99% assurity that Randle would waive his trade kicker to be traded to a contender with a starting spot.

If moved before or after the 29th, his deal is also guaranteed for the team he's traded to.

Here, hope this helps. The bolded apply to Gallo. Copy and Paste king rides again: June 19 Latest possible end date for NBA Finals. June 23 NBA draft day. June 29 Last day for decisions on player, team, and early termination options (certain contracts will require earlier decisions). Last day for teams to make qualifying offers to players eligible for restricted free agency. June 30 Last official day of the 2021/22 NBA league year. Last day for players eligible for veteran extensions in 2021/22 to sign them. Teams can begin negotiating with free agents (5:00pm CT). July 1 Official start of the 2022/23 NBA league year. Moratorium period begins. Restricted free agents can sign an offer sheet. Teams can begin signing players to rookie scale contracts, minimum salary contracts, and two-way contracts. Teams can begin exercising the third- or fourth-year team options for 2023/24 on rookie scale contracts. July 6 Moratorium period ends (11:01am CT) Teams can begin officially signing players, extending players, and completing trades (11:01am CT). The two-day period for matching an RFA offer sheet signed during the moratorium begins.

Let me address this right now before someone runs away with this on one side of the idea or another. We are in the offseason. Any trade for Gobert will likely happen after the moratorium bringing us into the 22-23 tax year. If this happened during the season, the implementation of the rule is immediate and salary immediately counted. Because it will happen in the off-season, any trade of this sort will be delayed, accelerated to fall into the time period where the team is not over the LT. For example, Lets say post trade the Hawks would have 11 players and be 7 million over the LT (I need to check the apron level and I'm working). The Hawks could hold the trade until they move a separate trade that drops their cap number 2 million, then execute the trade with the league. The key here is the calculation is made when the trade is executed. Teams can order those trades with the league in any order they want in the off-season. The can renounce rights to cap hold free agents, move things around to make the room. They can wait to resign someone if its hold/signing advantageous or they can sign them quick (say Know) to a lower salary in order to reduce the cap hold number. Calculating the team salary/apron threshold is not the type of stuff of mortals and shouldn't be something tossed/thrown around willy nilly. Simple answer, if the trade happened during the season, its a hard/fast rule. If the SnT happened during the offseason but after the moratorium, its flexible.

Okay, time for a humor break. For all struggling to fill up the tank, you can still get gas at Taco Bell for $1.39.

Klutch is highly effective at getting their guys paid, branding them, getting them on teams they want. Rubs old schoolers (rightly so) the wrong way. Klutch is highly aggressive using sketchy tactics. They follow the "anything goes" method. They leverage everyone....especially media.

Or better yet he may opt out?

Woah....could the Nets send out Irving for a player and replace him with Simmons at the point?

Both Ayton and Gobert fit better with JC. Both are big men who can step out and hit a J. They are able to draw the center out which helps JC. When Clint would float to the 3 PT line to help JC, the opposing center would just stay 1 foot in the lane and show to JC as soon as he got the ball in the post. A center who can hit a 15 footer pulls the opposing center in a half circle around the lane giving JC more offensive room. Same song, different chorus, it opens up rebounding opportunities for everyone getting the opposing center away from the basket where he has to dive in and box out in a very short period of time as opposed to being able to set up shot immediately after the shot goes up.

I was preaching about the bolded last year and its effect. It just wasn't noticeable until Trae/Collins/Huerter got theirs. Probably a good time to explain the whole Luxury Tax Tiering. The Salary Cap is 122 million. This is the point where trading rules start kicking in hard. The Luxury tax starts kicking in at $149 million. All of the following numbers are for any salary over $149 million. The taxed amount is in salary tiers. The following is for non-repeating consecutive years offenders. For the first $5 million over the threshold you are, you pay 1.5x that dollar amount in tax. Going 5 million into the tax isn't a big deal. The next $5 mil is at 1.75. the next $5 mil is at 2.5x the amount. Its starting to get serious. The next 5 at 3.2g. The next at 3.75 The next at 4.25 Every 5 mil after, add another .5% to the tier. So $5 million over the threshold, you pay a $7.5 million tax. $15 million over, its not 3x 7.5 million but almost 4x. Now the problem here is what if you go into the LT 2 consecutive years. It doesn't matter if you were $3 in one year and $300 million into it the next....the same rules apply to all tiers. Add .75% to all tiers above. It gets pricey. Meaning a team already $30 million into the LT and adding $3 million more in salary on a repeat offender status will pay a tax of $17,250,000 just to add $3 million in salary. The estimates on SPOTRAC.COM had the Hawks $2,328,520 below the LT in 21-22. This is widely what handcuffed us from making moves at the deadline. We knew with the upcoming salary situation we would be into the LT in 22-23 and probably $11 million into the LT. This upcoming season alone, going into the LT in 21-22 would have cost us close to an additional $100,000 on top of the normal tax in 22-23. This is why you'll see the Hawks make some cheaper vet moves this offseason (like possibly retaining Knox, Mays on the cheap). His vet minimum is a pretty cheap contract or having teams throw in their 2nd round picks into trades to provide a very cheap 15th man. When discussing deals like Gobert, Ayton, Simmons, Levine, etc....it isn't just about acquiring those players. It isn't Gobert > Clint or Simmons > Huerter. The Hawks need to ensure they are sending out enough contract to = the incoming player plus the cheap vet taking one of the outgoing players' spots. You can't think of these deals as Gobert for Clint/Hunter because a vet bought out by his club is also coming here in that scenario for 2-5 million. Its Gobert + mystery vet chasing a ring. If you upgrade Clint with Gobert/Ayton and bring in another star, pushing Huerter to the bench, you are telling the league you're serious about contending. Those older vets will try to latch on. We're going into the LT this year. The question is how much and for how many years. The ring chasing vets will only latch on. One tiny criticism on the Gallo $5 mil number. There is a good chance we stretch that to 3 years, taking a $1.67 mil hit each year to lower the total LT hit the next 3 years. Stretching it could lower the tier we end up in. One additional thought for you aspiring Capologists. We hold a few trade exceptions that will push down our numbers when exercised. Figure those in.

100% transparency, I'm trying to remain agnostic as it relates to coveting players right now. I've set a June 15th timeframe for myself to start becoming invested. I'm not saying yes or no to anyone. As I said in the original post, this is all chatter right now. It's greater than speculation, not quite rumor. Teams are not yet close to showing their hands. Most of what they are saying, leaking is all posturing at this point.

The Simmons trade was just as much about moving Harden and reacting to a league issue as it was about getting Simmons. The Nets had had enough of Harden's shenanigans, fighting with teammates. dude is not liked.

The devil is in the details. The claim there is "league sources", meaning not just message boards, rumors, chatter. I always find it interesting when things shared in these threads hit a media source and the usual naysayers and critics turn to crickets.

Did you mention that Simmons can pass over the top better than pretty much everyone (including Luka) in the league??? Its his greatest strength and Trae's major offensive weakness.

So according to our metrics I have 7700 posts and have been posting on this iteration of the board since 2002. 20 years, 385 posts a year. That seems a bit low, even with the breaks I've taken. The secret it seems, as with all things where you want a top score on dismount, is not the speed of your fingers but stamina.

Yah, Summer League flame wars are the best.

I have 3 sons!!! So no it isn't true.

No kidding, my wife once told me during our engagement that I was ruining her lifelong dream of becoming a crazy cat lady. Jokes on her....there's plenty of time.

They have a wife named Kat?