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1 minute ago, sturt said:

I can say with 99% assurity that Randle would waive his trade kicker to be traded to a contender with a starting spot.

27 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I just texted my guy and he said Gallinari can still be moved before the next season begins. 

@thecampster, he's confirming this. What about you?

He texted me this: For teams that do not make the playoffs, they can start making trades again on the day after their last regular season game. Playoff teams can start making trades once they're eliminated from the playoffs.

 

He said Gallo has to be moved before June 29th or his deal is fully guaranteed 

If moved before or after the 29th, his deal is also guaranteed for the team he's traded to.

12 minutes ago, AHF said:

He can be moved at any time.  How much of his salary counts for matching purposes depends on whether his contract is fully or partially guaranteed.  He doesn't get counted for the full $21M unless it is fully guaranteed.

Here, hope this helps.  The bolded apply to Gallo.

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June 19

• Latest possible end date for NBA Finals.

June 23

• NBA draft day.

June 29

• Last day for decisions on player, team, and early termination options (certain contracts will require earlier decisions).
• Last day for teams to make qualifying offers to players eligible for restricted free agency.

June 30

• Last official day of the 2021/22 NBA league year.
• Last day for players eligible for veteran extensions in 2021/22 to sign them.
• Teams can begin negotiating with free agents (5:00pm CT).

July 1

• Official start of the 2022/23 NBA league year.
• Moratorium period begins.
• Restricted free agents can sign an offer sheet.
• Teams can begin signing players to rookie scale contracts, minimum salary contracts, and two-way contracts.
• Teams can begin exercising the third- or fourth-year team options for 2023/24 on rookie scale contracts.

July 6

• Moratorium period ends (11:01am CT)
• Teams can begin officially signing players, extending players, and completing trades (11:01am CT).
• The two-day period for matching an RFA offer sheet signed during the moratorium begins.

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

 

I am being told Trae which Atlanta expected to make All NBA does make a trade more difficult and likely why Ayton really is ahead of Gobert as well because of cost but the NBA rules are that any team that does a SnT, they cannot be over the LT by 6 million dollars. This also complicates a Zach LaVine trade as JC only makes 23.5 million. 

 

Let me address this right now before someone runs away with this on one side of the idea or another.

We are in the offseason. Any trade for Gobert will likely happen after the moratorium bringing us into the 22-23 tax year.  

If this happened during the season, the implementation of the rule is immediate and salary immediately counted.

Because it will happen in the off-season, any trade of this sort will be delayed, accelerated to fall into the time period where the team is not over the LT.  For example, Lets say post trade the Hawks would have 11 players and be 7 million over the LT (I need to check the apron level and I'm working).  The Hawks could hold the trade until they move a separate trade that drops their cap number 2 million, then execute the trade with the league.  The key here is the calculation is made when the trade is executed. Teams can order those trades with the league in any order they want in the off-season.  The can renounce rights to cap hold free agents, move things around to make the room. They can wait to resign someone if its hold/signing advantageous or they can sign them quick (say Know) to a lower salary in order to reduce the cap hold number.

Calculating the team salary/apron threshold is not the type of stuff of mortals and shouldn't be something tossed/thrown around willy nilly.

Simple answer, if the trade happened during the season, its a hard/fast rule.

If the SnT happened during the offseason but after the moratorium, its flexible.

58 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Certain media members really don't like Klutch.  Is it the LBJ effect? 

Klutch is highly effective at getting their guys paid, branding them, getting them on teams they want.  Rubs old schoolers (rightly so) the wrong way.  Klutch is highly aggressive using sketchy tactics.  They follow the "anything goes" method. They leverage everyone....especially media.

Or better yet he may opt out?

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

@Diesel

 

 

 

Woah....could the Nets send out Irving for a player and replace him with Simmons at the point?

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Ayton and John have both shown they will sacrifice for the greater good if they are compensated.  Ayton doesn't really care about his touches his point with PHX was he sacrificed touches for the greater good of team success and wants the max.  Hawks would be happy to give it to him.  Ayton is a good passer too. 

I don't think having both Ayton and JC would be terrible.  They are interchangeable on offense so when one isn't out there the other can run the same plays. 

Lavine has become a more willing passer and just doesn't take difficult shots.  I believe he'd move the ball if we can change our offensive system.

Trae should be the number 1 option no questions there. 

Gobert is a good passer.  Again, just don't like his price tag. 

Both Ayton and Gobert fit better with JC. Both are big men who can step out and hit a J. They are able to draw the center out which helps JC.  When Clint would float to the 3 PT line to help JC, the opposing center would just stay 1 foot in the lane and show to JC as soon as he got the ball in the post.  A center who can hit a 15 footer pulls the opposing center in a half circle around the lane giving JC more offensive room.

Same song, different chorus, it opens up rebounding opportunities for everyone getting the opposing center away from the basket where he has to dive in and box out in a very short period of time as opposed to being able to set up shot immediately after the shot goes up.

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

No it won't. These are our guaranteed Salaries:

PG: Young (36.6)
SG: Huerter(14.5) Bogi (18)
SF: Hunter (9.8)
PF: Collins (23.5), Johnson (2.7), Gallo (5)
C - Capela (19.7), Okongwu (6.3)

TOTAL Guaranteed Salary = $136.1 million, so no available capspace to offer a FA big money.

Regarding Luxury Tax, you just can't sign a FA to get into the tax, it'll have to be by trading and/or resigning our own FAs.

I was preaching about the bolded last year and its effect.  It just wasn't noticeable until Trae/Collins/Huerter got theirs.

Probably a good time to explain the whole Luxury Tax Tiering.

The Salary Cap is 122 million. This is the point where trading rules start kicking in hard. The Luxury tax starts kicking in at $149 million.  All of the following numbers are for any salary over $149 million. The taxed amount is in salary tiers. The following is for non-repeating consecutive years offenders.

For the first $5 million over the threshold you are, you pay 1.5x that dollar amount in tax.  Going 5 million into the tax isn't a big deal.

The next $5 mil is at 1.75.

the next $5 mil is at 2.5x the amount. Its starting to get serious.

The next 5 at 3.2g.

The next at 3.75

The next at 4.25

Every 5 mil after, add another .5% to the tier.

So $5 million over the threshold, you pay a $7.5 million tax.

$15 million over, its not 3x 7.5 million but almost 4x.

Now the problem here is what if you go into the LT 2 consecutive years.  It doesn't matter if you were $3 in one year and $300 million into it the next....the same rules apply to all tiers.  Add .75% to all tiers above. It gets pricey.  Meaning a team already $30 million into the LT and adding $3 million more in salary on a repeat offender status will pay a tax of $17,250,000 just to add $3 million in salary.

The estimates on SPOTRAC.COM had the Hawks $2,328,520 below the LT in 21-22.  This is widely what handcuffed us from making moves at the deadline.  We knew with the upcoming salary situation we would be into the LT in 22-23 and probably $11 million into the LT.  This upcoming season alone, going into the LT in 21-22 would have cost us close to an additional $100,000 on top of the normal tax in 22-23. 

This is why you'll see the Hawks make some cheaper vet moves this offseason (like possibly retaining Knox, Mays on the cheap). His vet minimum is a pretty cheap contract or having teams throw in their 2nd round picks into trades to provide a very cheap 15th man.

When discussing deals like Gobert, Ayton, Simmons, Levine, etc....it isn't just about acquiring those players.  It isn't Gobert > Clint or Simmons > Huerter.  The Hawks need to ensure they are sending out enough contract to = the incoming player plus the cheap vet taking one of the outgoing players' spots.  You can't think of these deals as Gobert for Clint/Hunter because a vet bought out by his club is also coming here in that scenario for 2-5 million. Its Gobert + mystery vet chasing a ring.  If you upgrade Clint with Gobert/Ayton and bring in another star, pushing Huerter to the bench, you are telling the league you're serious about contending. Those older vets will try to latch on. We're going into the LT this year. The question is how much and for how many years. The ring chasing vets will only latch on.

One tiny criticism on the Gallo $5 mil number.  There is a good chance we stretch that to 3 years, taking a $1.67 mil hit each year to lower the total LT hit the next 3 years.  Stretching it could lower the tier we end up in.

One additional thought for you aspiring Capologists. We hold a few trade exceptions that will push down our numbers when exercised. Figure those in.

9 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

The nasty that you mentioned Randle brings is few and far between the times he keeps jacking shots up to the detriment of his team, he gives up on his team at times and calls out fans. 
 

I’m worried about him moving forward.

Tell you the truth, I’m not loving Lavine either. I know folks tend to say that I go with the flow of what we are doing as an organization but I’d be very careful with Lavine. The injuries, the volume, granted I feel I watched his game this past year and came away impressed that he didn’t have tunnel vision and seems to play more within the offense than he did before.

 

This is a very important offseason for us. I feel like I say that a lot but if we are going to change it up a bit going forward on some main pieces, this could be the year we kind of progress or stay idle.

100% transparency, I'm trying to remain agnostic as it relates to coveting players right now. I've set a June 15th timeframe for myself to start becoming invested.

I'm not saying yes or no to anyone.  As I said in the original post, this is all chatter right now. It's greater than speculation, not quite rumor. Teams are not yet close to showing their hands. Most of what they are saying, leaking is all posturing at this point.

1 hour ago, bleachkit said:

Nets just traded for Simmons. They aren't interested in trading him to us for the low. With KD in his thirties, they are all in on winning now. 

The Simmons trade was just as much about moving Harden and reacting to a league issue as it was about getting Simmons.  The Nets had had enough of Harden's shenanigans, fighting with teammates. dude is not liked.

11 hours ago, Diesel said:

 

The problem is offenisvely, we have lost some of our shooting.   Hunter would have to step up big and my feeling is that Hunter is not a natural three point shooter and not a natural scorer yet. 

Trae would be able to play off ball with Simmons in the fold... and Trae for the corner three is magic. 

 

 

 

 

Did you mention that Simmons can pass over the top better than pretty much everyone (including Luka) in the league???  Its his greatest strength and Trae's major offensive weakness.

So according to our metrics I have 7700 posts and have been posting on this iteration of the board since 2002.  20 years, 385 posts a year.  That seems a bit low, even with the breaks I've taken. The secret it seems, as with all things where you want a top score on dismount, is not the speed of your fingers but stamina.

4 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

The Trae summer league was particularly bad. I think I laid down 700 posts during that week in Vegas. WELL EVERYBODY WAS SAYING TRAE WAS GONNA BUST I WAS LIKE CALM DOWN!!! Somehow it took 700 posts back n forth. 

Yah, Summer League flame wars are the best.

Just now, Spud2nique said:

The slow death. They are said that dudes who were aholes to girls when dating them would generally end up with daughters… is that true? 

I have 3 sons!!!  So no it isn't true.

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

Ps you know what they same about dudes with cats ?  

No kidding, my wife once told me during our engagement that I was ruining her lifelong dream of becoming a crazy cat lady.  Jokes on her....there's plenty of time.

Just now, Spud2nique said:

Ps you know what they same about dudes with cats ?  

They have a wife named Kat?

11 minutes ago, smoove31210 said:

I do more reading than I do posting....so it will take a long time to get my post count to 500.....so I guess I'm out

The trick is to watch summer league with us.  You can put up 20 a day during summer league just off hype replies, rumor swat downs.  I'd bet Spud and KG have put up 500 posts in one draft/summer league season.

32 minutes ago, kg01 said:

*gasp*  Slander!

The new poster has nothing to fear from the kg account.  Plus I ain't tryna find out why the screen name is @akay

I have a cat I would never let near a firearm for this very reason.

6 minutes ago, BangHolman said:

Do you want to start a fight about nothing so we can get our post count up?

You could always head over to the lounge and just comment once on each thread. Good stuff over there.

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Increase the number to 2000.

If I remember right, that number was chosen to allow casuals in while stopping drive by trolls.