Lascar78 Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Of course. Well not just selling ads, but selling period. Selling ads, selling tv ads, selling luxury boxes to big businessmen. Just selling. This will help sell to people who are bothered by the current image problem, while street types are not going to stop buying NBA jerseys or seats because of this. If anything I could see jersey sales increasing. As I've said before, the NBA allied itself with hiphop because it saw an untapped market to help them sell. Now they feel they're too far in that direction, so they're trying to rein it in somewhat by having guys dress better in the arena. The only color that matters here is green. They don't like JWill dressing hiphop and he's white, they don't like Duncan dressing like a bum and he's not hiphop at all. Same for Nash. Just because most people affected are black doesn't make it racist. Most NBA players are young and black, so any rule can be interpreted as racist if you just looked at who it impacts. That's not what makes a rule racist or not. They feel that professional clothes will help sell their product and I'm sure they're right. Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted October 25, 2005 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 There is conflict if the move was just to sell. I think it's image but not just to sell because believe it or not, the Thug image sells just fine. If you go to the mechandizing depts in Sports.. Football. 1. Randy Moss = Oakland 2. Micheal Vick = Falcons. 3. LT = Chargers. Basketball 1. Allen Iverson = Philly 2. Shaq fu = Heat. 3. Lebron James = Cavs After Jordan Left Basketball, Allen Iverson perched himself on top of the Merchandizing depts in basketball. Only one year was he surpassed by Shaq and another year by Jordan since Jordan left the Bulls. I would say that's a good track record despite Image. I think Duncan/Kobe has never cracked the top 10.. In fact, I think Kobe was close to dead last last yr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Yeah, the NBA should be worried about the fact that are getting shamed in a game they played a part in making popular in the first place. That should be a concern, as should the league having too many teams. 1.The League is too young 2.The League has fundamental issues 3.Something needs to done about GM's terrible spending habbits in giving players contracts that will cripple the franchises. This matters I think even more so because having to give one or two players EXTREMELY high contracts causes little spending elsewhere which obviousally makes teams more watered down. 4.MJ currently haunts the NBA. While he was great, now every body wants to be like him and just hold the ball all the time. Just a few problems. The NBA has enough problems right now on court... But they are worried about how the players dress when they aren't playing? I guess they are more worried about selling to their sponsers than they are the NBA fans. Thinking about it more, it does seem like the NBA is just out to please the sponsers. My point is the NBA should be worried about the oncourt stuff first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Quote: 1.The League is too young 2.The League has fundamental issues They tried to adress these things by putting in an age limit, so that players come in older and with more schooling on fundamentals.. Quote: 3.Something needs to done about GM's terrible spending habbits in giving players contracts that will cripple the franchises. This matters I think even more so because having to give one or two players EXTREMELY high contracts causes little spending elsewhere which obviousally makes teams more watered down. They tried adressing that by making max contracts shorter and cheaper. The problem is that they always have to fight the player's association. Still, they were able to take max contracts down by a year. Quote: 4.MJ currently haunts the NBA. While he was great, now every body wants to be like him and just hold the ball all the time. That's true and there isn't much they can do about it. They removed the ban on the zone to encourage ball movement and shooting, and no longer have it bue a 1-on-1 isolation league by rule. Quote: Just a few problems. The NBA has enough problems right now on court... But they are worried about how the players dress when they aren't playing? I guess they are more worried about selling to their sponsers than they are the NBA fans. Thinking about it more, it does seem like the NBA is just out to please the sponsers. My point is the NBA should be worried about the oncourt stuff first. That's not a fair statement. They have been adressing those issues. They can't snap their fingers and suddenly have the players be less selfish and better shooters. Alot of the problems are occurring before players come to the NBA, as you see international players still coming in fundamentally sound whereas US players are not. What more do you want them to do on top of what they're doing? That being said, they are adressing the image problem in part. It's not instead of the other problems, it's on top of it. I don't see what the problem is. Also it's not just for corporate sponsors. There are also alot of fans (particularly older people - white and black) who are put off by guys looking like bums on the bench, or looking like arrogant @sses with their sunglasses on for the post game interviews. I don't see what's wrong with them doing that, it's not like they haven't been adressing the other issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shock Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Ive read some pretty entertaining posts from some of you guys. I wanted to post a few times, but chillzatl pretty much hammered out everything i wanted to say. chillz... you have a good head on your shoulders. I think Cuttino Mobley should have a school where players go to learn how to dress. Have you ever seen this guy sitting on the bench in his suits? He could easily have his own show on MTV or ESPN where a guy like Ricky Davis comes over and is turned into Colin Powell. The unintentional comedy would be paralyzing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 If there is any kind of dressing school hosted by anyone at all, craig sager should attend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Quote: Quote: 1.The League is too young 2.The League has fundamental issues They tried to adress these things by putting in an age limit, so that players come in older and with more schooling on fundamentals.. Quote: 3.Something needs to done about GM's terrible spending habbits in giving players contracts that will cripple the franchises. This matters I think even more so because having to give one or two players EXTREMELY high contracts causes little spending elsewhere which obviousally makes teams more watered down. They tried adressing that by making max contracts shorter and cheaper. The problem is that they always have to fight the player's association. Still, they were able to take max contracts down by a year. Quote: 4.MJ currently haunts the NBA. While he was great, now every body wants to be like him and just hold the ball all the time. That's true and there isn't much they can do about it. They removed the ban on the zone to encourage ball movement and shooting, and no longer have it bue a 1-on-1 isolation league by rule. Quote: Just a few problems. The NBA has enough problems right now on court... But they are worried about how the players dress when they aren't playing? I guess they are more worried about selling to their sponsers than they are the NBA fans. Thinking about it more, it does seem like the NBA is just out to please the sponsers. My point is the NBA should be worried about the oncourt stuff first. That's not a fair statement. They have been adressing those issues. They can't snap their fingers and suddenly have the players be less selfish and better shooters. Alot of the problems are occurring before players come to the NBA, as you see international players still coming in fundamentally sound whereas US players are not. What more do you want them to do on top of what they're doing? That being said, they are adressing the image problem in part. It's not instead of the other problems, it's on top of it. I don't see what the problem is. Also it's not just for corporate sponsors. There are also alot of fans (particularly older people - white and black) who are put off by guys looking like bums on the bench, or looking like arrogant @sses with their sunglasses on for the post game interviews. I don't see what's wrong with them doing that, it's not like they haven't been adressing the other issues Yes, they have done somethings. The problem is that alot of the damage is done. I don't think this new dress code is going to change many peoples attitude other than the sponsers maybe. People are still going to realize suits and ties aren't all the NBA players personality. I don't think that seeing Iverson in a suit and tie is going to change peoples opinion of him. Yes, they aren't all white men that have a problem. I was arguing with an older black woman about this subject just a few months ago. But as I said, I don't think this dress code is going to effect many peoples opinion. I just think the NBA should be more worried about improving the game even futher oncourt and perhaps try to come up with a solution for the sometimes shotty job by the refs. One thing they've seen to be focused on his flops. I've read that flopping will not be as easy to get away with and that's a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 But you're acting as if they've spent years working on this instead of working on other issues. They haven't. It occurred to them that this is a small easy thing that can help, and that the player's union agreed. If it can help even just a tiny bit, why not do it? It's not taking away from any other efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 I don't think it will help that much... Mostly because players probably will still get in offcourt problems. You think that many more people are going to watch just because somebody wears a suit sitting on the bench? I don't. I think taking steps to help prevent offcourt troubles would help.. But I don't know how the league should go about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted October 28, 2005 Moderators Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Quote: I don't think this new dress code is going to change many peoples attitude other than the sponsers maybe. The sponsers are the most important opinion in the eyes of the NBA. They could totally agree with your statement and would still be sold on the dress code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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