Moderators AHF Posted December 8, 2005 Moderators Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Quote: Chip, Atlanta: Why is everyone saying that the Suns got the better end of the Joe Johnson-Boris Diaw trade? Joe Johnson is a franchise player -- the type of guy you can build a team around. Diaw is a complimentary player that could only be producing those numbers in Phoenix. I don't get it. Chad Ford: Joe Johnson a franchise player? That's ridiculous. He is NOT a guy you build a team around. He's a very good complimentary player. Franchise players can take over games and lead their teams to victory on a consistent basis. Consider this ... this group of players -- Jalen Rose, Keith Van Horn, Eddie Jones, Juwan Howard, Tom Gugliotta -- have all had better individual seasons than Johnson is having this year and all got max dollars at one point in their careers. The teams that gave them the money have all regretted it. They're all good players who can put up numbers, but none of them are worth the max. Johnson wasn't either. You're right about Diaw. He is a complimentary player and if you compare them head-to-head, Johnson is better. But he also cost the Suns $69 million less than Johnson. I think that's why people are criticizing the trade. I think Hawks GM Billy Knight has made some disasterous moves over the past couple of seasons. The bigger mistake was not taking Chris Paul or Deron Williams over Marvin Williams. The Hawks owners have to get someone in there who knows what they're doing. Quote: Warren (NY, NY): Wait a second, didn't you call Marvin Williams potentially the most talented player in the draft? And I agree, Knight has done an awful job. He has a glut at the wing positions. Chad Ford: I'm not bashing Marvin. He was my top rated prospect in the draft and I think he's going to be awesome. I had Paul rated No. 2 and the gap wasn't that big. My only point is that the Hawks needed a franchise point guard and Paul is going to be just that -- he has an outside shot at the All Star game this year. You only pick talent over position when there is a CLEAR gap between the two. There wasn't this year and now the Hawks have to figure a way, via trade, free agency or the next draft, to find that point guard. Free agency is weak at the position next year. None of the players they're willing to trade would get them a point guard the caliber of Paul in return. Their only hope is via the draft. And as good as the point guard prospects are in the draft (and Kentucky's Rajon Rondo would be a good fit for the way Atlanta wants to play) none of them are quite the prospect that Paul is. Once you take all of those factors into consideration, I think they should've drafted Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 In fairness, Ford's position has not changed with regards to Marvin and Paul. He did say Marvin was better, but the Hawks should have drafted Paul on draft night. This season is just depressing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Quote: I think Hawks GM Billy Knight has made some disasterous moves over the past couple of seasons. The bigger mistake was not taking Chris Paul or Deron Williams over Marvin Williams. The Hawks owners have to get someone in there who knows what they're doing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Exactly. BK has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 so fire someone who has gotten us this much talent without overpaying because he drafted who everyone thought would be bpa and who everyone was saying the #2 team should take? he has to do more than take the consensus top-2 pick #2 in the draft to get fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Quote: so fire someone who has gotten us this much talent without overpaying because he drafted who everyone thought would be bpa and who everyone was saying the #2 team should take? he has to do more than take the consensus top-2 pick #2 in the draft to get fired I think the point of Ford's piece was that BK did overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 If you think JJ is worth what they gave for him and if you believe Childress was a good pick then you are in a very small minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzachary Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 The only response you will ever need for any Chad Ford thread: "Darko is really one of a kind. He runs the floor, handles the ball, shoots an NBA three and plays with his back to the basket. So you can slot him at the 3, 4 or 5. Okay, a few other guys can do that, too, but what sets Darko apart is his toughness in the post ... Fact is, Darko plays in attack mode at both ends of the floor. The more you push, the more he pushes back." -- ESPN's Chad Ford on NBA Draft prospect Darko Milicic, in the June 23rd, 2003 issue of ESPN the Magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 If he is an idiot and Marvin was his highest rated player then that means..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzachary Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Quote: If he is an idiot and Marvin was his highest rated player then that means..... Precisely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnybravo4 Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 BK paid market price for JJ...To me he is a better value than Larry Hughes, and cleveland paid the same amount. Who cares about those draft picks. I know what JJ is, who knows who those picks could turn out to be. They could turn out to be Hanno Mattola or Ed Gray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Quote: BK paid market price for JJ...To me he is a better value than Larry Hughes, ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeacKillsaDevil Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 The only problem that I have with Chad Ford's thoughts are that when the team has been down like it has, you have to overpay to attract talent. Does anyone really think that if Phoenix and Atlanta were offering the same amount that JJ would have come to Atlanta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I like JJ better then Hughes too - Hughes struggles this season only confirm that. But, Hughes signed a contract that is $10 million less then JJ and Cleveland did not have to give up any draft picks to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Overpay is one thing. Overpaying and giving up 2 draft picks and a player is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seano Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Quote: disasterous Not to be too nit-picky about it, but disasterous? Chad Ford is a paid writer, he should know way better than to mis-spell such an easy word as that. It's *disastrous*, Chad. But yeah, it's tough to argue with the points he's making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeacKillsaDevil Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I don't care about the draft picks because they're lottery protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathway23 Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 JJ is better than all those players he listed. Kobe would look bad on this team. We have bad coaching and very inexperienced talent around JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Quote: I don't care about the draft picks because they're lottery protected. No they aren't. The Boston/LA pick is gone as far as I know. Next year's Hawks pick isn't lottery protected. it is only top 3 protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudderfudder77 Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Quote: Quote: BK paid market price for JJ...To me he is a better value than Larry Hughes, ROFL At least you guys didn't pay 35 million to Eddie Robinson... That may have been the lowest point in my life as a Bulls fan. Ithink JJ was a good signing if the picks weren't involved, but with the picks it makes it questionable - BK is going to have to pull a PG and a C out of his hat come draft day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 we're depending on 1st year and 2nd year players and you guys are freaking out already... we've gone over this a million times..can't we talk about something else.. chad ford is a jackass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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