exodus Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Kirks problem is that he gets stuck with the ball at the end of the clock very frequently. They are full of undersized jump shooters but don't have anyone who plays effectively in the post to collapse the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Based on those comments, I believe I pay a bit more attention than you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 What comments? The one where i said Billups was fourth in the league in assits even though you think he isn't a pg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bralin1 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 KB, You are BK's echo...obviously a friend, relative, or work for this sorry franchise. BK is not the man to get this job done. Anybody that thinks that Mike Woodson is a good coach needs immediate therapy. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Woody is horrible...just watch the Hawks play defense. I can't wait for the next draft to watch your buddy take another forward...PG is critical for the Hawks. Lue is a terrible defender and doesn't distribute the ball. We need a guy who can deliver the ball into scoring situations. Please stop echoing BK...the man has proven one thing. That when it comes to building a total TEAM he is awful. The Bobcats, Raptors, and Hornets are better for crying out loud. How can you defend BK and Woody? Total insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Quote: oh and he also went on at one point about how you can hardly ever get a franchise player through trades because teams don't let them go, so you have to take your best shots through the draft. Basically more explanation of the Marvin pick Except for Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, Kidd, Nash, Shaq, Dirk, Jermaine O'Neal, Arenas, Webber, Brand, Ray Allen, Baron Davis, Gasol, and a few others BK is right. What an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Quote: Quote: oh and he also went on at one point about how you can hardly ever get a franchise player through trades because teams don't let them go, so you have to take your best shots through the draft. Basically more explanation of the Marvin pick Except for Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, Kidd, Nash, Shaq, Dirk, Jermaine O'Neal, Arenas, Webber, Brand, Ray Allen, Baron Davis, Gasol, and a few others BK is right. What an idiot. LOL. Billy is good at getting 2nd tier players like Joe Johnson and Al Harrington, but the chances of him getting a real star are slim and none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudderfudder77 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Quote: Kirks problem is that he gets stuck with the ball at the end of the clock very frequently. They are full of undersized jump shooters but don't have anyone who plays effectively in the post to collapse the D. Unfortunately everything you said is true. Since kirk was moved back to the point and Gordon to the two both players have increased their numbers across the board. Kirk is averaging 19/9/4 since he was moved back to the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I have been hoping that somehow the Hawks would be able to get Duhon or Hinrich from you guys but I don't see how they could do it, especially since BK doesn't see the need for a pg. He has passed on Duhon 3 times, twice in the draft and once in free agency. I think he would fit in perfectly here but BK just can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHawk Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Quote: Except for Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, Kidd, Nash, Shaq, Dirk, Jermaine O'Neal, Arenas, Webber, Brand, Ray Allen, Baron Davis, Gasol, and a few others BK is right. What an idiot. He is right What team gives up a superstar without the other team giving up alot. And the only reason stars get traded is because there is a problem. Lets see T-Mac traded ecause he was pissed i Orlando, and Houston had to give up Stevie Franchise in the deal. Vince - Not really a superstar anymore Kidd - Again he hate Phoniex Phoniex hated him. O'Neal - wasnt a star when he was traded and Portland was overloaded with talent at the time. Gasol and Kobe had never even played a game efore they were traded so they dont count, and Gasol is no Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Vince - Not really a superstar anymore" At 25PPG 5RPG 4APG he's pretty dang close... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Quote: I believe that in the league right now, Andre Miller, TJ Ford, and Jason Kidd may be the only "true" point guards that start. Throw in Steve Nash. It is interesting that all those teams have winning records. Also interesting that Phoenix keeps on winning without big man Amare, NJ wins without any big men and Denver has played surprisingly well with Nene and Camby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 How does Billy Knight watch night after night and say that there is no need for a PG? I believe it's probably his way of saying that "I did not make a mistake by passing over Chris Paul." The whole wide world knows we made a mistake by passing over Chris Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 You and the rest of the Chris Paul Nut Huggers will realize it wasn't a mistake in 2-3 years time, when Marvin Williams is the superstar player that comes from this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathway23 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 KB It looks like Chris Paul will be a star, I don't know about superstar. Lets just hope Marvin is a star first shall we? I think it should be acknowledged how good Chris Paul is, I think that Utah probably regrets passing on him for Deron Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I don't know how hard BK tried, but it's something. I think Andersen is worth about what Pachulia makes. Give it to him. W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchman Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 KB, you sound just like Linus in "the Great Pumpkin." "One day you'll see. The Great Pumpkin will rise out of the pumpkin patch..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traceman Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 that Paul is a VERY good player ALREADY - he has a legit shot to be an All Star THIS YEAR - is RIDICULOUS! Look at the talent in NO/OKC. Who on their team would start for us other than Paul? Yet, they have a FAR better record than we do at this point despite much less talent. He is CLEARLY the reason as they were terrible again when he got hurt. Acknowledging that Paul is a very good PG does not mean you have to think Marvin was the wrong pick. I don't think we will know the answer to that question for AT LEAST 3 more years and it may be longer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 As a matter of fact JR Smith, who KB thought was their best player, recently got benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traceman Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I don't think it is a mistake at all for BK to try to resign Al to a reasonable contract. If he can get him for $9M a season or less, I think it is a no-brainer to resign him. Who else are we going to be able to get of Al's caliber for that kind of money? I'd rather give Al that much than overspend for some scrub like Jerome James, Mark Blount or Michael Olowokandi. By virtually everyone's account, Al is the 2nd best UFA on the market behind Ben Wallace. Resigning Al to a reasonable contract will not preclude us from getting the big man we need because that player is either going to come via draft or trade anyway. Ben Wallace ain't coming here and no other UFA big man is worth big money. I may be wrong, but I think BK's ideal lineup next year would look like this: Shotblocking-Rebounding REAL BIG Man/Edwards Al/Zaza Marvin/Smoove Chillz/Salim JJ/Lue I don't think BK is convinced that JJ is not our starting PG of the future, particularly when he says he thinks Chillz can be our Rip Hamilton - hmmm, wonder of Detroit will trade us Rip for Chillz? If JJ/Chillz doesn't work, I think you might see BK finally go after that PG we all seem to think we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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