Boris Diaw records his 3rd Triple double and...

[velvettouch]

a career high in assist against the warriors tonight....Nice job Boris!

[Plainview1981]

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a career high in assist against the warriors tonight....Nice job Boris!

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And the great JJ getting his @ss handed to him by the CHARLOTTE BOBCATS.

[Dakin]

35 7 and 9 is getting his ass handed to him??

[velvettouch]

Yes, but try this on for size...a head to head comparison of Boris and JJ.

Joe Boris

PPG 20.2 13.5

RPG 4.1 6.8

APG 6.6 6.0

FG% .456 .527

MPG 41.0 mins 35.5 mins

Yes, everyone thought both Boris and JJ would be nothing without Nash. Joe and Boris both do well without Nash. Boris excels despite Nash's absence in a few games this year, especially in tonights game where Boris had a career high in assists and a triple double.

Joe played a great game tonight. He actually had more assists than his average this year with a total 9 assists and 35 points. The problem with Joe and company is that Joe has no consistent support on a nightly basis from his teammates.

[Plainview1981]

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Point is he and the other Hawk greats lost to for the most part a bunch of no namers. Stats mean nothing without wins. Everybody talks about the youth... Well, Orlando is streaking with youth, The Lakers don't have much winning experience outside of Kobe Bryant.. What about the Bucks? Chicago? These teams aren't great obviousally, but their battling for the playoffs while the Hawks are stat padding. Obviousally, Al Harrington is the most guilty one.

The Hawks with JT, Dog, Shareef, Al, Walker and Jim Jackson have had a decent number of stat guys the last few years. So, until the Hawks do something meaningful, JJ and Smoove fit in the same line.

Why do I feel this way? Well, every team in the league as some players that post good stats... So what matters is actually playing for something other than numbers.

If these guys were giving the effort they wouldn't be giving up 102PPG on defense.

[Popeye]

I watched last night's game(Suns-Warriors) on espn and it was basicly exhibition game, even announcers said that. Diaw was playing like whole game. Suns were without Nash and Bell so Diaw was just padding stats????... everything went through him. The Suns play spread offense so someone should allways be open for a jumper and it's easy to get assists there. JJ needs to work a lot harder to get assist here.

[Plainview1981]

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I watched last night's game(Suns-Warriors) on espn and it was basicly exhibition game, even announcers said that. Diaw was playing like whole game. Suns were without Nash and Bell so Diaw was just padding stats????... everything went through him. The Suns play spread offense so someone should allways be open for a jumper and it's easy to get assists there. JJ needs to work a lot harder to get assist here.

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What about JJ in PHX last year?

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Point is he and the other Hawk greats lost to for the most part a bunch of no namers. Stats mean nothing without wins. Everybody talks about the youth... Well, Orlando is streaking with youth, The Lakers don't have much winning experience outside of Kobe Bryant.. What about the Bucks? Chicago? These teams aren't great obviousally, but their battling for the playoffs while the Hawks are stat padding. Obviousally, Al Harrington is the most guilty one.

The Hawks with JT, Dog, Shareef, Al, Walker and Jim Jackson have had a decent number of stat guys the last few years. So, until the Hawks do something meaningful, JJ and Smoove fit in the same line.

Why do I feel this way? Well, every team in the league as some players that post good stats... So what matters is actually playing for something other than numbers.

If these guys were giving the effort they wouldn't be giving up 102PPG on defense.

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Orlando is probably 3-4 years older than the Hawks. It's claer you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Atlanta is the youngest team in the NBA by a whole 2 years over Portland. How's their record? Yeah that's what I thought.

Boris Diaw did not fit in ATL. He never would have. The reason he produces in Phoenix as well as no names like Raja Bell is because of that system.

Joe Johnson was a part of that system but he has proven he can succeed outside of it in one of the most difficult situations in the league. Not bad for his first year here!

[Plainview1981]

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Point is he and the other Hawk greats lost to for the most part a bunch of no namers. Stats mean nothing without wins. Everybody talks about the youth... Well, Orlando is streaking with youth, The Lakers don't have much winning experience outside of Kobe Bryant.. What about the Bucks? Chicago? These teams aren't great obviousally, but their battling for the playoffs while the Hawks are stat padding. Obviousally, Al Harrington is the most guilty one.

The Hawks with JT, Dog, Shareef, Al, Walker and Jim Jackson have had a decent number of stat guys the last few years. So, until the Hawks do something meaningful, JJ and Smoove fit in the same line.

Why do I feel this way? Well, every team in the league as some players that post good stats... So what matters is actually playing for something other than numbers.

If these guys were giving the effort they wouldn't be giving up 102PPG on defense.

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Orlando is probably 3-4 years older than the Hawks. It's claer you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Atlanta is the youngest team in the NBA by a whole 2 years over Portland. How's their record? Yeah that's what I thought.

Boris Diaw did not fit in ATL. He never would have. The reason he produces in Phoenix as well as no names like Raja Bell is because of that system.

Joe Johnson was a part of that system but he has proven he can succeed outside of it in one of the most difficult situations in the league. Not bad for his first year here!

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All JJ has done is pad stats. He isn't proven anything more than the likes of Big Dog, Shareef or any of the other stat players the team has had.

Boris Diaw couldn't find cause Woody can't coach. He's supposed to be a defensive coach... But yet his coaching isn't even good enough to keep the Hawks from being the second worst defensive team in the NBA... The only team being worse is Seattle.

"Orlando is probably 3-4 years older than the Hawks.

Nelson/Howard/Darko are how old? The only real vet Orlando has right now is Tony Battie... And he is by no means a difference maker. I don't think Grant Hill is playing right now. So... They have Bo Outlaw and Stacy Augmon, but those guys don't even play.

Portland is the better team than the Hawks. They just play in a way tougher conference.

"because of that system."

That "system" is called coaching... Woodson wouldn't know anything about that.

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All JJ has done is pad stats. He isn't proven anything more than the likes of Big Dog, Shareef or any of the other stat players the team has had.

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Agree with some of the other stuff you said, but to say JJ is just padding his stats? C'mon now. JJ could go out there and shoot 35 times a game like Kobe, but he's chosen to play team ball and hopefully develop some of the younger guys on the team.

He also consistently defends an opposing team's best player - which makes him vastly different than Big Dog or Reef.

Don't be mad at JJ just because you're mad at Woody.

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Point is he and the other Hawk greats lost to for the most part a bunch of no namers. Stats mean nothing without wins. Everybody talks about the youth... Well, Orlando is streaking with youth, The Lakers don't have much winning experience outside of Kobe Bryant.. What about the Bucks? Chicago? These teams aren't great obviousally, but their battling for the playoffs while the Hawks are stat padding. Obviousally, Al Harrington is the most guilty one.

The Hawks with JT, Dog, Shareef, Al, Walker and Jim Jackson have had a decent number of stat guys the last few years. So, until the Hawks do something meaningful, JJ and Smoove fit in the same line.

Why do I feel this way? Well, every team in the league as some players that post good stats... So what matters is actually playing for something other than numbers.

If these guys were giving the effort they wouldn't be giving up 102PPG on defense.

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Orlando is probably 3-4 years older than the Hawks. It's claer you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Atlanta is the youngest team in the NBA by a whole 2 years over Portland. How's their record? Yeah that's what I thought.

Boris Diaw did not fit in ATL. He never would have. The reason he produces in Phoenix as well as no names like Raja Bell is because of that system.

Joe Johnson was a part of that system but he has proven he can succeed outside of it in one of the most difficult situations in the league. Not bad for his first year here!

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All JJ has done is pad stats. He isn't proven anything more than the likes of Big Dog, Shareef or any of the other stat players the team has had.

Boris Diaw couldn't find cause Woody can't coach. He's supposed to be a defensive coach... But yet his coaching isn't even good enough to keep the Hawks from being the second worst defensive team in the NBA... The only team being worse is Seattle.

"Orlando is probably 3-4 years older than the Hawks.

Nelson/Howard/Darko are how old? The only real vet Orlando has right now is Tony Battie... And he is by no means a difference maker. I don't think Grant Hill is playing right now. So... They have Bo Outlaw and Stacy Augmon, but those guys don't even play.

Portland is the better team than the Hawks. They just play in a way tougher conference.

"because of that system."

That "system" is called coaching... Woodson wouldn't know anything about that.

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If you think JJ is stat padding, you really need to watch the games. That is the most asinine thing I have heard in a long time here...and that says a lot.

[Plainview1981]

I didn't say all of it is intentional.. It's not. His numbers look better because the team is point guardless. You think he would be averaging 6APG if the team had a PG? More likely around 3.5APG like he averaged with PHX.

[Popeye]

WTF you talking about Hotlanta??? JJ=Big Dog??? you dumb fyck.

Yea keep checking out boxcores it will help you judge players better than the poeple who actually watch Hawks.

What a [censored]!!! cccc

[Plainview1981]

Yes, JJ=Big Dog in terms of not being a first option. It's the same with Al... Guys shouldn't get respect as first options until the team wins. JJ/AL have showed themselves to be good 2nd or 3rd options on good teams. But that's it.

[Dukegotgame]

hey guys!!

didn't you know diaw sucks and would never fit here?

geeeeeez

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Point is he and the other Hawk greats lost to for the most part a bunch of no namers. Stats mean nothing without wins. Everybody talks about the youth... Well, Orlando is streaking with youth, The Lakers don't have much winning experience outside of Kobe Bryant.. What about the Bucks? Chicago? These teams aren't great obviousally, but their battling for the playoffs while the Hawks are stat padding. Obviousally, Al Harrington is the most guilty one.

The Hawks with JT, Dog, Shareef, Al, Walker and Jim Jackson have had a decent number of stat guys the last few years. So, until the Hawks do something meaningful, JJ and Smoove fit in the same line.

Why do I feel this way? Well, every team in the league as some players that post good stats... So what matters is actually playing for something other than numbers.

If these guys were giving the effort they wouldn't be giving up 102PPG on defense.

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Orlando is probably 3-4 years older than the Hawks. It's claer you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Atlanta is the youngest team in the NBA by a whole 2 years over Portland. How's their record? Yeah that's what I thought.

Boris Diaw did not fit in ATL. He never would have. The reason he produces in Phoenix as well as no names like Raja Bell is because of that system.

Joe Johnson was a part of that system but he has proven he can succeed outside of it in one of the most difficult situations in the league. Not bad for his first year here!

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What! Joe Johnson fits in with the Hawks and can succeed outside of the Suns? Of course he can. First of all, the Suns knew Joe had talent and wanted to resign him. Second, anyone can score when they play on this team. Come 'on....even little Tye can be a threat on this team. Who else is going to score?? I think Greg Anthony once said that anyone can be a scoring threat on the Hawks because of the lack of talent and bench play. Boris didn't fit in because he didn't get to play and our wonderful coach just can't coach. He stinks! Joe is a scoring machine regardless of what team he plays for. It took him awhile to adjust to the NBA and be the player that he was. Bryan Colangelo recognized the talent in Joe when he played for the Celtics and signed him to a deal. He was right. Joe didn't develop into the player he is now until the 2003 season when the Suns missed the playoffs and Frank Johnson started him the last 20+ games of that season. Joe averaged around 20 points the last 20 games of 2003. D'Antonni took over and kept Joe in as a starter the next season and he grew as a player because of it. Joe is a solid player regardless of what team he is on. He can be a starter for any team at any time. Also, the system in Phoenix is because of one player, Steve Nash. Steve and D'Antonni have a chemistry like Walsh and Joe Montanna. Who makes the team go? Steve or Mike, or in this case maybe both. Bottomline, D'Antonni is a great coach but the system slows without Steve. Joe started the last 20 games in 2003 with Starbury at the point, and he averaged around 20 pts a game with the ballhog and selfish player that Stephon is. Don't tell me that Raja is a scrub, because he was a good and solid player with Philly. Again, Bryan Colangelo recognized the talent and signed Raja. Atlanta need a GM like that...too bad he is in Toronto now, because I would bet any amount of money that Toronto has a better record than us next year. You watch what this Colangelo guy will do for that team. Hell, he might sign one of our players and make him the next Boris Diaw. Imagine that!

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Point is he and the other Hawk greats lost to for the most part a bunch of no namers. Stats mean nothing without wins. Everybody talks about the youth... Well, Orlando is streaking with youth, The Lakers don't have much winning experience outside of Kobe Bryant.. What about the Bucks? Chicago? These teams aren't great obviousally, but their battling for the playoffs while the Hawks are stat padding. Obviousally, Al Harrington is the most guilty one.

The Hawks with JT, Dog, Shareef, Al, Walker and Jim Jackson have had a decent number of stat guys the last few years. So, until the Hawks do something meaningful, JJ and Smoove fit in the same line.

Why do I feel this way? Well, every team in the league as some players that post good stats... So what matters is actually playing for something other than numbers.

If these guys were giving the effort they wouldn't be giving up 102PPG on defense.

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Orlando is probably 3-4 years older than the Hawks. It's claer you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Atlanta is the youngest team in the NBA by a whole 2 years over Portland. How's their record? Yeah that's what I thought.

Boris Diaw did not fit in ATL. He never would have. The reason he produces in Phoenix as well as no names like Raja Bell is because of that system.

Joe Johnson was a part of that system but he has proven he can succeed outside of it in one of the most difficult situations in the league. Not bad for his first year here!

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What! Joe Johnson fits in with the Hawks and can succeed outside of the Suns? Of course he can. First of all, the Suns knew Joe had talent and wanted to resign him. Second, anyone can score when they play on this team. Come 'on....even little Tye can be a threat on this team. Who else is going to score?? I think Greg Anthony once said that anyone can be a scoring threat on the Hawks because of the lack of talent and bench play. Boris didn't fit in because he didn't get to play and our wonderful coach just can't coach. He stinks! Joe is a scoring machine regardless of what team he plays for. It took him awhile to adjust to the NBA and be the player that he was. Bryan Colangelo recognized the talent in Joe when he played for the Celtics and signed him to a deal. He was right. Joe didn't develop into the player he is now until the 2003 season when the Suns missed the playoffs and Frank Johnson started him the last 20+ games of that season. Joe averaged around 20 points the last 20 games of 2003. D'Antonni took over and kept Joe in as a starter the next season and he grew as a player because of it. Joe is a solid player regardless of what team he is on. He can be a starter for any team at any time. Also, the system in Phoenix is because of one player, Steve Nash. Steve and D'Antonni have a chemistry like Walsh and Joe Montanna. Who makes the team go? Steve or Mike, or in this case maybe both. Bottomline, D'Antonni is a great coach but the system slows without Steve. Joe started the last 20 games in 2003 with Starbury at the point, and he averaged around 20 pts a game with the ballhog and selfish player that Stephon is. Don't tell me that Raja is a scrub, because he was a good and solid player with Philly. Again, Bryan Colangelo recognized the talent and signed Raja. Atlanta need a GM like that...too bad he is in Toronto now, because I would bet any amount of money that Toronto has a better record than us next year. You watch what this Colangelo guy will do for that team. Hell, he might sign one of our players and make him the next Boris Diaw. Imagine that!

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Who's post are you responding to? I didn't say JJ was no good... I said, he hasn't proven himself to a 1st option on a team that can win. His assists are mainly due to the lack of PG on the team.

"Bottomline, D'Antonni is a great coach but the system slows without Steve."

Actaully, they'ver played fairly well when Nash is out of the game. You're thinking about last year. Nash didn't have Dallas averaging 110PPG.... It has alot to do with coaching.