KB21 Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 When did Billy get fleeced? He traded two first round picks and a player that was nothing but a bit player in Atlanta for a legitimate star player in the NBA. Getting Joe Johnson for what we gave up was a bargain. We didn't come close to getting fleeced on that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Quote: ...Or Diaw. Yes Yes...by all means...Diaw is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Actually, I'm the doctor, and you are whatever you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Billy Knight has never made a bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzachary Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Quote: Billy Knight has never made a bad move. Billy Knight cured cancer, found the WMDs, and rescued a cat that was stuck up in a tree, and that was before he had breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 22, 2006 Moderators Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 IMO, JJ is worth a max deal in this market and was worth trading Diaw, the Bos/LA pick and a protected first round pick. My qualm with the deal was not putting greater protection on our pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzachary Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Quote: Everyone in the world realizes that Colangelo just hosed BK on the JJ deal. He gave up a key cog to Phoenix and 2 draft picks for a Max player who isn't worth a Max deal. SURE that was a GREAT deal We didn't give up any key cogs, we just gave up draft picks. Phoenix gained a key cog. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Quote: Billy Knight has never made a bad move. Yeah, that Mike Bibby for Jason Williams deal was a great move. And his record for hiring coaches is spotless. But you are right, Billy is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzachary Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Quote: Quote: Quote: Everyone in the world realizes that Colangelo just hosed BK on the JJ deal. He gave up a key cog to Phoenix and 2 draft picks for a Max player who isn't worth a Max deal. SURE that was a GREAT deal We didn't give up any key cogs, we just gave up draft picks. Phoenix gained a key cog. Does that make sense? Thats what was meant by what I said, I can see how you could see it that way though. I didn't do a good job clarifying at all, sorry about that. It's all good. Most people look at trades as a zero-sum game with a winner and a loser. We both won with that trade. It's possible that we could have gotten JJ for less, but maybe not. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBob Posted June 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Cause I like ya KB ... we gave up three 1st rounders when two would have sufficed. BK was haggling from a superior position. JJ publicly wanted to be a Hawk. The ties were cut, the bridge was burned. This scenario, given more time, would have played out much like Joey Harrington leaving Detroit, if you follow the NFL off-season at all. This is all my opinion. Disagree if you like. Have fun with it. I don't want to talk about why I like Billy anymore on this thread. Maybe some other time. I would, however like your insight on the article. We need both a defensive big and a PG (or at least another combo). According to this analysis: We have an 81% chance to draft a solid PG in the first round. We have a 64% chance of drafting a solid big at #5. However, there our big will be more likely to become a bust than our PG. We cannot say quite how much based on what he's given us, but only 8.7% of the PGs drafted in the first three quarters of the 1st round failed to become solid contributors. Thus, if we are forced to reach to fill a need, would we be more comfortable with a PG, or do we still get a big and let the chips fall where they may? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 IMO the lower %age of drafting successful bigs is part of what makes them so hard to get. So instead of shying away from picking a big for fear of failure - you do your best research then draft MORE bigs than anything else. Cause once you get a good one you ain't lettin him go...and trading for a true upper echelon 5 is next to impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBob Posted June 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Excellent. Thanks. I like the way you approached the problem. On the other side of that coin though: It may be better to go after a big in F.A./trades that you know can play and take the guard at the higher success rate. I'd rather have Magliore or Nene,e.g., than any of these bigs. There may be a better chance of getting a PG who turns out better than Speedy Claxton or Marcus Banks, though. I can see both sides, I just don't know which one to root for. It all depends on who falls. With a question like this though, I'm really just looking at Sheldon/O'Bryant/Sene versus Williams/Roy/Foye/Rondo. If Il Mago or Aldridge falls, it becomes an easy decision IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 In reference to the original post it is no secret that teams will reach for big men because they are more scarce, hence the percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Quote: Billy Knight cured cancer, found the WMDs, and rescued a cat that was stuck up in a tree, and that was before he had breakfast! I can't believe you forgot to mention that he invented the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted June 22, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted June 22, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Quote: Actually, I'm the doctor, and you are whatever you are. Dr. Z's not a doctor, but he plays one on TV! Actually, KB's not one either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac13 Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 More scarce, but with the results that a dominant big can give you its easy to see why teams reach..Either Shaq or Duncan has won 7 of the last 8 NBA titles..Other teams are searching for the one in a million that can duplicate that success.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzachary Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Quote: Quote: Actually, I'm the doctor, and you are whatever you are. Dr. Z's not a doctor, but he plays one on TV! Actually, KB's not one either? I thought KB was a doctor in training. I'm not a doctor, but I was named after a fictional one (does noone here get the reference?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac13 Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Yes Will Robinson, I get it..Danger Danger!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted June 22, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 I did get it... didn't you.. "he plays one on TV"... Lost in Space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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