Harrington SNT - Good or Bad

[gsuteke]

btw i'm not suggesting MW is the answer to losing Al immediately. i'm suggesting the complilation of players that will get the run during Al's minutes will.

i'm not saying Al is a terrible player here. what i am saying is he takes a crapload of shots for the points he gets and he doesn't fit well defensively with this club.

in essence:

Al Harrington = addition by subtraction

[BusBoyIsBack]

Draft pick + saving tons of money for FA next year and re-signing the core of the team >>>>>>>> overpaying for a guy just because he plays C.

[Guest Walter]

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I'm not too worried about this.

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You should be. When you have to list 5 people (1 we don't have, 2 of whom are primarily Sfs, 1 who is a rookie defensive specialist, and the other who already played a starters amount of minutes) as a whole who can conceivably "compensate" for the absence of one post player, you have a problem. There is not one or two players that can step into Al's offensive role. This will affect us whether or not one wants to believe it.

W

[Johnnybravo4]

I am going on the faith that the light had clicked on for Marvin and he becomes a stud player.

[gsuteke]

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Draft pick + saving tons of money for FA next year and re-signing the core of the team >>>>>>>> overpaying for a guy just because he plays C.

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allrighty then. let's address your concerns in the order you presented them.

1. draft pick: i thought we were done with the rebuilding phase as fans and moving on to the winning phase. that Indiana pick will be in the 20s. it will be nice to have yes, however it ain't helping us win next year or even the year after for that matter.

2. who are we going to sign? most players resign with their current clubs. we can't offer a player more than their current club so why would a player want to come here? ahhhh maybe if we're winning?

3. resigning our current players? assuming our ownership is in it to win it we will have plenty of money to resign our players. we are over 10 million under the cap plus you don't hit the luxury tax until you are 10+ million over the salary cap. moot point.

4. any Indy Center mentioned here (unlike the GS players) will hardly be overpaid. stiffs like Sam Dalembert are making 10+ million a year because they are 6'11". we're talking guys making Zaza money.

my opinion is no more valuable on this board than yours, however the point i'd like to make here is i want to see the Hawks win. i don't want to see the Hawks continue to play for lottery picks.

[Lascar78]

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You should be.

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Hahaha. You say we're screwed because Al could score in the post and now we have no one. I list 5-7 people on our team on our team who can, and I should be scared because we have so many people who in fact can score in the post? You make zero sense man, give it up.

This isn't fantasy basketball, when one guy leaves without being replaced, one guy doesn't automatically get all his stats. It gets spread around to everyone else with those skills.

For starters I think Marvin or Smith could get those points if we put them in the post as often as Al, gave them the ball as often as him, and told them to just look for their shot and not worry so much about D either like Al did. Al wasn't efficient, he just got a lot of touches. Fortunately, that's not what's going to happen. The ball movement will increase and our versatile players will get scoring opportunites all over the floor.

[exodus]

Al averaged 6.5 ppg inside.

http://www.82games.com/0506/05ATL11A.HTM

Whoopdeedamdoo. Childress averaged 5.4 ppg inside even though he averaged only 10 ppg.

[TexasPete]

Losing an 18.8 ppg scorer, adding Speedy Claxton and Shelden the role player to a 26 win team...SUCKS.

But then again, so does the Hawks organization.

[exodus]

Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with my post, but considering your post history I guess I should expect that.

[flava]

i think we are losing track of the fact that teams do lose free agents for nothing (see Ben Wallace) and that although Harrison and a pick might not be Magloire, Dalambert or Nene, these returns are better than nothing...

also, Knight is wise to keep waiting. something may open up. a third team may come to the table. Indy may offer up a second pick. things are already less than ideal (due to the market, our needs) - but to rush, that would be a mistake...

flava

[exodus]

If the Hawks get just Harrison I would be fine with that. I wouldn't be very happy if they just get a 1st rounder.

I want something that will help the team this year.

[Guest Walter]

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Losing an 18.8 ppg scorer, adding Speedy Claxton and Shelden the role player to a 26 win team...SUCKS.

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Considering the opportunity we had to make substantial positive changes this offseason, how little we have made this offseason to date, the overall questionable net effects, and how the opportunity to make future changes diminishes the next two years, I don't see this 26 win team doing much better if at all or having much of a long term future.

W

[gsuteke]

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Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with my post, but considering your post history I guess I should expect that.

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i agree. there has to be a little sunshine with the rain.

[TexasPete]

Exactly Walter. The rumored trade for AL combined with our offseason doesn't do much to help us. The East has gotten better and we really haven't unless you factor in the growth of the young players. Thats not getting it done.

Exodus, you need to call out about 10 other posters in this thread for not following the exact topic to the letter. When one of your buddies does it you don't mention a thing. Sometimes threads meander a little. Ease up pal. You've been known to do it yourself. But its OK when you do it right?

Almost 4,000 posts in 8 months...you apparently have a little more time to think about this stuff than most.

[exodus]

Lascar and Walter were talking specifically about post scoring. Since Al scores only 6.5 ppg in the paint I don't think that is too much to make up.

Your post was a rant about the entire offseason. And if the Hawks wind up with only Speedy, Shelden, and a first rounder then I would agree it would definitely be a disappointing offseason. But that is a different subject.

Your posts seem to be oddly similar regardless of what the topic of the thread is.

[Guest Walter]

I get alot of them from a variety of poster but could care less. They don't like my opinion more than they dislike my delivery, but can more often only debate the later.

I have expressed a reasoned belief:

1) MW is a good (but not great), unfortunately redundant prospect,

2) the drafting of SW was a mistake from predraft leaking to actual draft,

3) that BK is a fair, but in too many big decisions, increasingly as the team goes from talent acquisiton to team design, wrong minded GM.

...I simply don't have the energy to discuss Woody.

People don't like to hear that, particularly regularly, but I don't hear people who agree with my opinion taking pot shots. Basically, it boils down to people having invested themselves in their arguements to the point they react personally when it is challenged. Not that I'm perfect, but they readily display their lack of character.

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[Lascar78]

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They don't like my opinion more than they dislike my delivery

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I think I speak for most of the board when I say that this could not possibly be further from the truth.

There are many people here who dislike things about our team, picks, players, whatever. I might disagree but it doesn't annoy me.

What is annoying as hell is seeing the same argument posted literally hundreds and hundreds of times in a row in every single thread whether it belongs or not without contributing anything new.

[drzachary]

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They don't like my opinion more than they dislike my delivery

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I think I speak for most of the board when I say that this could not possibly be further from the truth.

There are many people here who dislike things about our team, picks, players, whatever. I might disagree but it doesn't annoy me.

What is annoying as hell is seeing the same argument posted literally hundreds and hundreds of times in a row in every single thread whether it belongs or not without contributing anything new.

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I don't think he notices what he does, Lascar.

[TexasPete]

I think I like Marvin a little more than you do but I agree with you about SW. I also agree that BK has zero clue how to put together a team. Your also right about people taking pot shots when they disagree with opinions.

I have seen a number of NBA boards and this is by far the rudest I have seen. There are 4-5 posters who dominate discussion here and they can get pretty rude when you don't agree. There is no tolerance for some spice from outside. None. Guys here call each other out over minor and stupid stuff.

I do think that the AL SNT in it's current rumored form is terrible. The pick would be in the 18-25 range and next years draft is better in the top 10 but not going to help us in the 20's. BK needed a score, a Harrison type. With this current team I see 30-34 wins. And I'm in the stands 41 times a year so I'm not real happy about it.

[exodus]

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I don't think he notices what he does, Lascar.

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Fortunately we have found a way to make him notice. Drumroll please......