TheDude Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 ben wallace nazr mohammed joel pryz alonzo mourning Melvin Ely, Charlotte (Restricted) Lorenzen Wright, PF/C, Memphis Kelvin Cato, Detroit Jarron Collins, Utah DJ Mbenga, Dallas (Restricted) Mario Kasun, Orlando (Restricted) Scot Pollard, Indiana Michael Olowokandi, C, Boston Jake Voskuhl, Charlotte Antonio Davis, Toronto Brian Grant, Phoenix Ervin Johnson, Milwaukee Loren Woods, Toronto Boniface N'Dong, LA Clippers (Restricted) Michael Bradley, Philadelphia Curtis Borchardt, Boston (Restricted) Ha Seung-Jin, Portland (Restricted) Jamal Sampson, Sacramento Pat Burke, Phoenix Zendon Hamilton, Cleveland Earl Barron, Miami there you go ladies. that ohso impressive list of free agent centers this offseason just exploding with talent. so now that you gmarmchairs have made it known that the lowright signing sucked, who would you have rather had that is heads and shoulders above him? and don't say ben wallace for the love of god. maybe we could have gotten Boniface N'Dong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Lmao good thread. BTW, is that really his name? lol Oh and Chris Kaman >>>>>> all these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Obviously your list isn't a complete one, as if FAcy is the only way you may use cap space to improve a team much less the only way you can improve a team. I sure as hell would have made a strong play for Pryzbilla. A good fit for an otherwise undersized team. We didn't even sniff at him. Moreover, WE HAD TO TRADE AL! Might as well trade him for a center, no? W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Great list. Does nothing to alter my opinion that we didn't maximize the potential to do better. But thank you for listing it. Very powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac13 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 You left a great fit for the Hawks off your list in Butler..He is 20, plays good defense, has tons of potential and signed for less than we paid LazyLo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Quote: I sure as hell would have made a strong play for Pryzbilla. He would have been perfect here. he is one of the top shotblockers in the league as well as a strong man defender. He has good size. The Hawks didn't make him an offer because they were holding out for all the riches they would get in an Al SNT deal. There is a reason the Hawks were able to sign him for only $6 million over 2 years. The reason is that he isn't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted August 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 here is the link where i got the free agents..i did not copy the list of power forwards (we got shelden as the powerforward at center situation right?).. link ok, now for the trade...what trade do you think we could have made that the other team would have agreed to that would have brought back someone better than Lo? again we looked at Mags, couldn't get it done...i liked pryz too but... Lo Wright's 2005-06stats: MPG fg% Rbd/gm bpg ppg 21.7 .478 5.1 .59 5.8 Prz's 2005-06 stats: MPG fg% rbd/gm bg ppg 24.9 .548 7 2.3 6.1 again, i liked pryz too (look up my posts if you want before offseason) but are trying to say that the difference in numbers between these two players to say that our offseason in that area was a failure or that all of a sudden you go from love the signing (if it was pryz) to hate it because it was Lo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Prz blocked 2.3 shots per game compared to .6 for Lo. So who do you think opposing players would fear more when they drive the lane. For every shot blocked there are several that are altered. Prz is one of the only guys I have seen who can handle Shaq 1 on 1. I was watching them play Miami earlier this past season and whenever Prz was in the game they played him on Shaq without help. Shaq couldn't do squat and in fact Prz was outscoring him through 3 quaters. When the Hawks played Miami Shaq punk'd Zaza so bad Zaza might as well have been playing in a skirt. But the Hawks couldn't make Prz an offer because they were waiting for that invaluable mid-1st round pick they might get in the Al SNT sweepstakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudderfudder77 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Quote: here is the link where i got the free agents..i did not copy the list of power forwards (we got shelden as the powerforward at center situation right?).. link ok, now for the trade...what trade do you think we could have made that the other team would have agreed to that would have brought back someone better than Lo? again we looked at Mags, couldn't get it done...i liked pryz too but... Lo Wright's 2005-06stats: MPG fg% Rbd/gm bpg ppg 21.7 .478 5.1 .59 5.8 Prz's 2005-06 stats: MPG fg% rbd/gm bg ppg 24.9 .548 7 2.3 6.1 again, i liked pryz too (look up my posts if you want before offseason) but are trying to say that the difference in numbers between these two players to say that our offseason in that area was a failure or that all of a sudden you go from love the signing (if it was pryz) to hate it because it was Lo? Pryz is a true C as opposed to Wright who is a PF masquerading as a C. Pryz stats are also appreciably better than L Wrights, and Pryz is a much better help defender who has the size to handle most C's one-on-one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 There are/were plenty of options that are MUCH BETTER than Lorenzen. Does he hurt the team? Not really, but he certainly doesn't help as much as others would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 I don't think we ever had a shot at pryz, mourning, or wallace. That being said I think we did as well as we could with free agency. I do think we could have found a way to get Magloire though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Quote: I don't think we ever had a shot at pryz, mourning, or wallace. In order to have a shot at a free agent YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN OFFER. If you don't make an offer there is a 100% chance you won't get them. In June of last year did you think we had a shot at JJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted August 5, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Quote: I do think we could have found a way to get Magloire though IMHO, when you take into consideration what role they would be asked to play on the Hawks, the difference between Wright and Magloire is negligible. And, considering that acquiring Magloire likely would have cost Childress, I'll take Wright. (And I would much rather have Wright for two years, $6M than Pryz at five year, $35M+). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Quote: IMHO, when you take into consideration what role they would be asked to play on the Hawks, the difference between Wright and Magloire is negligible. Magloire would be the undisputed starting center, and we would finally have an NBA caliber starter who plays both on offense and on defense (imagine that!!), and that zaza could learn from. Wright is roughly Zaza's equal. There is a huge difference between the 2, and Magloire would never have been asked to play the role that will be given to Wright. The issue of only having him for one year is a separate issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swolehawk2 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 My thing witrh most on this board is, most assume they know who & what BK offered, and in the same breath says the man is too secretive and does not share enough. We don't know who was contacted, and if they had interest. Some players actually do want to play for a current playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Quote: My thing witrh most on this board is, most assume they know who & what BK offered, and in the same breath says the man is too secretive and does not share enough. Your thing is that you don't understand that the Hawks COULD NOT MAKE AN OFFER to Prz because of Al's cap hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 I think that offer or not, we had a 0% chance of getting Wallace or Mourning. I also didn't get the feeling that there was much of a chance for us to get Pryz given the fact that he chose to leave here for Portland, Portland showed him respect and wanted him back, and Pryz had stated that he really liked Portland. I think he knew he was re-signing before the offseason started. As for JJ, yes I would have thought there was clearly a chance because we could offer a max offer, he was arguably worth a max offer, and Phoenix could not afford to match that without trading one of their big pieces (Nash-JJ-Marion-Amare) in the near future. Portland has money, and if we had tried to get Pryz they would have matched unless we did something retarded like a max offer which he is nowhere near offering. I think BK knew based on past discussions with Pryz that he was not coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted August 5, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Quote: Your thing is that you don't understand that the Hawks COULD NOT MAKE AN OFFER to Prz because of Al's cap hold. Your thing is that you don't understand that Pryzbilla IS NOT an impact player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Quote: Your thing is that you don't understand that the Hawks COULD NOT MAKE AN OFFER to Prz because of Al's cap hold. Same thing with Wright but we still got him though, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted August 5, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Quote: Same thing with Wright but we still got him though, right? You and that darn logic. Stop it. NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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