Hawks/Bobcats thread

[Guest Walter]

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good things happen when this guy is on the floor.

he's definately making a case to get increased PT.

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This is all so funny. "Good things happen...". SW has by far the worst Roland rating of any Hawk starter or anyone over 25% of minutes. 3rd worst on the team. This rating reflects his statistical effect ON THE TEAM when on and off the court. You cannot be this bad statistically FOR YOUR TEAM and have "good things happen when" your on the court. Does not compute. Someone's trying to give hawksquawker's cool-aid.

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607ATL.HTM

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[Popeye]

Walter GTFO with that BS.

What happened to Emeka tonite??? haa??

Shelden blocked him two times and played him well.

Okafor had 2 points tonight.

Shelden is our best defender and deal with it Walter.

[exodus]

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SW has by far the worst Roland rating of any Hawk starter or anyone over 25% of minutes. 3rd worst on the

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Roland ratings have no relevance in small sample sizes. Right now JJ's +/- is -20 and he has been on fire, playing like an All-Star.

http://www.82games.com/0607/06ATL4D.HTM

This time last year both Nash and Marion were -20.

[DJlaysitup]

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...This is all so funny. "Good things happen...". SW has by far the worst Roland rating of any Hawk starter or anyone over 25% of minutes. 3rd worst on the team. This rating reflects his statistical effect ON THE TEAM when on and off the court...

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Well Walter...you need to get in there and get this "Roland ratings" thing fixed. It's obviously all f-ed up.

Anybody who watches the games and understands much of anything will agree that Shelden has had a VERY serious impact on our defense and play overall.

[Guest Walter]

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Roland ratings have no relevance in small sample sizes. Right now JJ's +/- is -20 and he has been on fire, playing like an All-Star.

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...but you're right the sample size is small. That particularly is true for JJ's stats given he is out so little and the bulk of his -15 differential is found in the +12.5 opf the court (which BTW is in large part to Childress subbing for JJ and Childress being our statistically most productive player with a 13.9 Roland rating). Even with JJ's back-up making his few minutes off the court look good for the team and bad for him, JJ still has a +3.4 Roland rating. SW's doesn't have the unequal on/off court MPG issue. He's split down the middle. Yet, he's got a -13.2 Roland rating. That is HORRIBLE.

Moreover, in the 5 man units that have played over at least 20 minutes, SW's in not included in any one with a 50% winning %. He wins 20% with Johnson, Boseman, Smith, and ZaZa; 42.8% with Claxton rather than Bozeman; 14.2% with Lue instead of Claxton or Bozeman...but the 3 lineups with >20 MPG sample size are71.4%, 40%, and 66.6% winners.

SW is what he is. A good role player, but don't sell him as some mythical, under the radar team catalyst who quietly makes the team better. That stats tell otherwise. I have no problem with awaiting a larger sample size.

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[exodus]

Your own link shows Childress and Salim as defensive stoppers. If that isn't enough to make you believe the stats are worthless then nothing will.

Over the last two seasons the team has consistently given up 4 ppg more when Childress is playing, and he has gotten torched by opposing sgs. and a big reason why Salim doesn't get more time is his weak D.

[DJlaysitup]

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...SW is what he is. A good role player, but don't sell him as some mythical, under the radar team catalyst who quietly makes the team better. That stats tell otherwise. I have no problem with awaiting a larger sample size.

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Please Walter.

One of the reasons I love basketball is that it is a nice combination of athletic abilty and skill. Some less athletic but highly skilled players (like Bird) can excel. On the other hand, players like Deke - with immoderate skills but major physical talents - can still excel. Obviously a quality combination of the two is best (like Majic or MJ).

The idea that some "Roland" dude can come up with a stat that matters to me is silly. The stats that count are:

- team wins

- personal shooting %age

- defensive rating (more subjective).

The bottom line though is team wins as opposed to the team wins before a player got there.

Now...you are somewhat right in that Shelden isn't mythical...he's just a PF who has made our team appreciably better. That's just reality.

[CBAreject]

Sene has a Roland rating of -21.1

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SEA.HTM

Roy's is -6.6

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM

Tyrus Thomas has -8.6

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607CHI.HTM

Bargnani has -5.6.

Brian Cardinal's is +9.7. We should trade for him.

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607MEM.HTM

[CBAreject]

Steve Francis is +6.4

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607NYK.HTM

What a team player

[Popeye]

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Sene has a Roland rating of -21.1

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SEA.HTM

Roy's is -6.6

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM

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Yea Walter maybe you should be more concerned about these two, since you wanted them.

[BusBoyIsBack]

Just like every other pick made in the BK era, sounds like Shelden Williams and Solomon Jones have turned out to look bright.

Solomon Jones is a taller, lengthier version of Tyrus Thomas on paper. So he could very well be our 5 of the future.

We just have to give him the minutes to prove it.

Of course it would also help if he worked on his post moves in the off-season to develop an offense.

I remember in an interview he said he compares his game to Ben Wallace on O and KG on D. The person doing the interview completely disregarded that statement, but if he develops a post game it may not be that absurd.

[gsuteke]

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good things happen when this guy is on the floor.

he's definately making a case to get increased PT.

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This is all so funny. "Good things happen...". SW has by far the worst Roland rating of any Hawk starter or anyone over 25% of minutes. 3rd worst on the team. This rating reflects his statistical effect ON THE TEAM when on and off the court. You cannot be this bad statistically FOR YOUR TEAM and have "good things happen when" your on the court. Does not compute. Someone's trying to give hawksquawker's cool-aid.

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607ATL.HTM

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will someone please unplug Walter?

[Peoriabird]

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will someone please unplug Walter?

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If this is a motion on the floor, I will gladly second it.

[Popeye]

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I remember in an interview he said he compares his game to Ben Wallace on O and KG on D. The person doing the interview completely disregarded that statement, but if he develops a post game

he compares his game to Ben Wallace on O

it may not be that absurd.

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What???

[CBAreject]

I think you want to be KG on O and Ben Wallace on D. There aren't many players in the league worse than Ben Wallace on O.

[thesheedera]

I'm certainly not going to get my hopes up about Solomon being a future starter for this team, but if he can become a solid and dependable rotation guy that has a positive impact on our defense and energy, it will be a pretty darn good thing for this team.

[BusBoyIsBack]

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I think you want to be KG on O and Ben Wallace on D. There aren't many players in the league worse than Ben Wallace on O.

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Lol that is what he said. I typed it backwards. That's too funny.

But yeah, if he could turn out to be half as good as Big Ben on D, and KG on O, we'd be a championship calibur team for sure.