TroyMcClure Posted January 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 I thought the thread needed an update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 I'll go out on a limb and say that yes we will indeed win another game. And it is a good bet I won't be watching live. After last nights debacle I have decided to start watching some real basketball... ie other teams. If the Hawks play a good game i'll catch the delayed replay on NBA.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAreject Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 ...we'll win 20 games or fewer. That will be bad enough to be worst in the league. This team will really impress me if they can pull together a good tank job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Quote: ...we'll win 20 games or fewer. That will be bad enough to be worst in the league. This team will really impress me if they can pull together a good tank job. Only a moron would think we are only going to win 10 or less more games. When we get Josh Smith back and JJ gets healthy along with everyone else, we'll be the same team that started 4-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAreject Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Only a team of morons would try to win slightly more than 20 games in this incredible draft. Note that I didn't say I thought we *would* win fewer than 20. Reading comprehension is hard, but you can do it with hard work! I am suspicious we'll win something pathetic like 28 and lose our pick. Yay! Lost pick! Yay! Lost chance for improvement! Yay! Long-term mediocrity with no end in sight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL_BALLER Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 First, there's no need to call anyone on this board a "moron" or "retard". We all have opinions and concerns - no excuse for personal jabs. Second, how can you NOT think it's a legitimate question? You speak of a lighter schedule, getting healthy, etc> However, the facts are that even with our best players in tact, we completely folded in the 4th quarter. We have no offensive or defensive schemes. And most importantly, THIS TEAM HAS QUIT. Having said that, and assuming Woody stays, what makes you think we'll win a single game the rest of the way - let alone 10 more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Quote: I am suspicious we'll win something pathetic like 28 and lose our pick. Yay! Lost pick! Yay! Lost chance for improvement! Yay! Long-term mediocrity with no end in sight! At Center...Greg Oden At Pf...Dwight Howard At Pg...Shaun Livingston At Sf...Kevin Durant vs the All "Hawks' meaningless moral victories" team! At Sg...Bobby Sura At Pg...Tyron Lue At 6th man...Josh Childress Starting for Pheonix...??? Note: If we also included lousy drafting we'd have an NBA All-star team for the next 5-10 years. W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnybravo4 Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Quote: Quote: I am suspicious we'll win something pathetic like 28 and lose our pick. Yay! Lost pick! Yay! Lost chance for improvement! Yay! Long-term mediocrity with no end in sight! At Center...Greg Oden At Pf...Dwight Howard At Pg...Shaun Livingston At Sf...Kevin Durant vs the All "Hawks' meaningless moral victories" team! At Sg...Bobby Sura At Pg...Tyron Lue At 6th man...Josh Childress Starting for Pheonix...??? Note: If we also included lousy drafting we'd have an NBA All-star team for the next 5-10 years. W Let's say best case scenerio Oden is a 10/10 player. Are we going to all of a sudden make the playoffs considering that we have a point guard who can't shoot or stay healthy and a #2 pick who has yet to develop, and a coach who can't coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Quote: Let's say best case scenerio Oden is a 10/10 player. Are we going to all of a sudden make the playoffs considering that we have a point guard who can't shoot or stay healthy and a #2 pick who has yet to develop, and a coach who can't coach? 1st) Oden's rookie impact will be greater than 10/10/2 (not to mention his long-term impact will be huge) AND at center his impact is one that makes every single player better. 2nd) I never said we couldn't address other issues while also getting Oden. Use the Indy 1st to get a Pg prospect. Trade MW and the Indy pick for an even better Pg? There are many ways to address other needs. 3) I most certainly want a different coach next season. W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Quote: Quote: Quote: I am suspicious we'll win something pathetic like 28 and lose our pick. Yay! Lost pick! Yay! Lost chance for improvement! Yay! Long-term mediocrity with no end in sight! At Center...Greg Oden At Pf...Dwight Howard At Pg...Shaun Livingston At Sf...Kevin Durant vs the All "Hawks' meaningless moral victories" team! At Sg...Bobby Sura At Pg...Tyron Lue At 6th man...Josh Childress Starting for Pheonix...??? Note: If we also included lousy drafting we'd have an NBA All-star team for the next 5-10 years. W Let's say best case scenerio Oden is a 10/10 player. Are we going to all of a sudden make the playoffs considering that we have a point guard who can't shoot or stay healthy and a #2 pick who has yet to develop, and a coach who can't coach? If that 10/10 comes along with superior interior defense then, coupled with the improving core of Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Josh Childress, it would likely be enough to catapult the Hawks into the playoffs. This would be assuming a capable coach was brought in as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted January 12, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Best case for Oden is 10/10 ?? WOW. And people thought I was too hard on projection Shellhead's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 For the record, I think he will be better then that. Right away he might not be much better then that, but eventually a whole lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAreject Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Yes, we'd probably make the playoffs with a center that can block shots like Oden, even if he "struggles" offensively to start. Your 10/10/2 as a "best-case" for Oden is laughable. Sure, he might put up 10/10 in his rookie year, but that's far from best case. I'd say best case, given that he will be 19-20 yrs old, would be something like 20/11/4. That's not likely, given his youth and inexperience, but would that really overly surprise anyone here (except Bravo)? Despite that, even if he puts up 10/10/2, that will be so much better than Zaza's garbage (no defense, poor rebounding, bad shooting percentage). If JJ/Smoove and either Marvin or Chill played all year with at least 1 healthy PG and a 10/10/2 center, it would be a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gutz Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Point is when i made that comment I was being sarcastic about the Hawks only making the playoffs a few times in the 90's since most of them were 1st round exits anyways. Of course you blew it up and called me a moron for it. Sorry I missed the other couple of 1st round exits we had! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Quote: Your 10/10/2 as a "best-case" for Oden is laughable. Sure, he might put up 10/10 in his rookie year, but that's far from best case. I'd say best case, given that he will be 19-20 yrs old, would be something like 20/11/4. In 37.9 MPG (Whew. Alot for a rookie!) 23.4 PPG, 13.9 RPG, 3.5 BPG, 0.7 SPG, 1.9 APG, 3.8 TOs, 56% FG%, 59% FT%. Oden will have two less years of college than Shaq when he enters the NBA, but considering they have nearly identical freshmen stats including MPG to this point DESPITE ODEN'S INJURY and recalling Shaq's sophomore explosion, Oden will compare favorably very soon...could exceed Shaq (I know, blaspheme.). So yes, 10/10 (snicker, at least in the PPG collumn) is likely only if Oden plays 20 MPG. He's a very grown player and I don't see much problem with 28-30 MPG for him. W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDiLetto Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 lets not forget that Oden is playing without his dominant hand. If anyone thinks he actually goes pro, they are mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Quote: If anyone thinks he actually goes pro, they are mistaken. He's coming out. W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shock Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Quote: I say no, without a coaching change. With a change, even an assistant, I think we win 20. BK had his chance recently to fire Woodson. He didn't. BK must go. The Spirit must go. Belkin is not worse than this. We are a joke. Perhaps I misinterpreted this thread. Did you mean 20 wins before the All Star break??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swatguy Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Quote: Quote: I say no, without a coaching change. With a change, even an assistant, I think we win 20. BK had his chance recently to fire Woodson. He didn't. BK must go. The Spirit must go. Belkin is not worse than this. We are a joke. Perhaps I misinterpreted this thread. Did you mean 20 wins before the All Star break??? Maybe he means, 20 more after the All-Star game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Quote: Quote: I say no, without a coaching change. With a change, even an assistant, I think we win 20. BK had his chance recently to fire Woodson. He didn't. BK must go. The Spirit must go. Belkin is not worse than this. We are a joke. Perhaps I misinterpreted this thread. Did you mean 20 wins before the All Star break??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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