Crittenton in draft

thesheedera · May 1, 2007

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At this point today jack only has experience over Javaris.

That may be true, but you can't just sweep over the value of Jack's experience like it's no big deal. He was the floor leader for a team that went to the national championship game, he played in and won (sometimes with the whole team on his back) very big games. Javaris was anything but steady for a very inconsistent team. Sometimes spectacular, sometimes pretty awful. As you would expect from a freshman PG as highly regarded as he was.

I don't doubt that Javaris will be a better player within a couple of years, but Jack's a guy you can depend on right now.

Javaris excites me because physically he's capable of being everything you could possibly want in a PG.

Conley excites me because he immediately played in college like he belonged, like a vet, very unlike a freshman PG, like a born leader. He received a brief burst of big game college hoops experience, and in 99.9% of the minds out there he showed that he can step up and lead a team when a lot's on the line.

Acie excites me because of the potential 1-2 punch of scoring and playmaking he could provide with JJ, and the fact that he should be ready to go from day 1.

It's a win-win-win, hopefully we have a shot at one of them and we take it.

hawkman · May 1, 2007

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At this point today jack only has experience over Javaris.

That may be true, but you can't just sweep over the value of Jack's experience like it's no big deal. He was the floor leader for a team that went to the national championship game, he played in and won (sometimes with the whole team on his back) very big games. Javaris was anything but steady for a very inconsistent team. Sometimes spectacular, sometimes pretty awful. As you would expect from a freshman PG as highly regarded as he was.

I don't doubt that Javaris will be a better player within a couple of years, but Jack's a guy you can depend on right now.

Javaris excites me because physically he's capable of being everything you could possibly want in a PG.

Conley excites me because he immediately played in college like he belonged, like a vet, very unlike a freshman PG, like a born leader. He received a brief burst of big game college hoops experience, and in 99.9% of the minds out there he showed that he can step up and lead a team when a lot's on the line.

Acie excites me because of the potential 1-2 punch of scoring and playmaking he could provide with JJ, and the fact that he should be ready to go from day 1.

It's a win-win-win, hopefully we have a shot at one of them and we take it.

Exactly. We can bicker about who's better for this team all day long, but it's irrelavent if we don't pick any of them. To be honest, most argued about the merits of Deron/Paul a few seasons ago, but Jack or Felton could have come here and easily locked up our PG situation for the next 10 years. I'm starting to think that it may not matter which point we choose because they all have relatively low "bust" risk. I'm not worried about heights or defense as much as I was before because most of that stuff is overrated anyway. The truth is, there are few "star" PG's out there who are also defensive specialists ala Gary Payton. From some of the talk around here, you'd think Paul was a terrible PG based on perceived "height" and "defensive" issues. Nowadays, I'm much more interested in a prospective PG's ability to anticipate and show poise in high pressure situations. I watched CP3 single-handedly crush us in the fourth quarter this past season. He made every single play, whether it was passing or scoring. That's what I want for this team. I believe that Javaris, Law, and Conley are all capable of bringing that to this team... and one or more of them WILL be there at #11. Now it's just a question of whether we will come away from this draft with any of them.

AtLaS · May 1, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

TheNorthCydeRises · May 1, 2007

Dang . . . I know who Javaris reminds me of.

NBADraft.net and draftexpress.com compares him to Steve Francis. But I think that's the wrong comparison. Right team, but wrong player to compare him to.

I'll post Javaris' nbadraft.net ratings in regular black text, and the guy who I think he compares to in bold black text. I just happened to luck up and find his nbadraft.net ratings as well. When I saw this, it just confirmed who I think JC really compares to. And it also confirmed to me why this kid should stay in school for at least another year or two. Because if he did, he could really be an impact player in the league if he waited until his junior year to declare. If not, his career could very well resemble the guy that I think he compares to . . which isn't a bad player at all. Just one that should've stayed in school for about 3 years.

Athleticism: 9 . . . 10

Size: 9 . . . 8

Defense: 7 . . . 7

Strength: 8 . . . 6

Quickness: 8 . . . 9

Leadership: 7 . . . 7

Jump Shot: 8 . . . 7

NBA Ready: 6 . . . 6

Passing: 7 . . . 9

Potential: 9 . . . 10

Ball Handling: 7 . . . 9

Intangibles: 7 . . . 7

Total rating: 92 . . . 95

The exact same size of player, at the exact same age, with the exact same skill set, and also played on a high profile college team.

Name that player. Then look him up to see what he did in his first 2 years in the NBA.

AHF · May 1, 2007

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Name that player. Then look him up to see what he did in his first 2 years in the NBA.

Jamal Crawford and not much of any significance.

mrhonline · May 1, 2007

Antonio Daniels is another similar comparison, IMHO.

And, BTW, if you want to see how useless NBADraft.net's rankings are:

Rod Grizzard

TheNorthCydeRises · May 1, 2007

Correct. JC is a JC clone. Except Crawford has the worst shot selection in the league. Crit may make the worst decisions running the point that I've seen from a big time prospect, in a long time.

All the kid needs is another year or two to hone his skills and his mental game. When he does that, he'll be a dang good player in the league.

But have him come out early, and it could have a team waiting 2 - 3 years to grow out of what really ails him as a b-ball player.

By that time, we might be in another total rebuilding mode.

Pick Law. He has the talent right now, and we won't have to go through growing pains if we let him run the show.

hawkman · May 1, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

Amen to that Atlas. When I saw the GS/Dallas game the other night, Baron Davis did indeed remind me of Javaris. There's no reason to think that Javaris wouldn't develop into that same kind of player in the league. I keep hearing people say that Crittenton isn't a true PG, but I just don't get it. Did any of these guys actually watch GT play this past season? The guy is a "real" PG. That's what really impressed me about him. He wasn't just another SG with good handles, he was an actual floor general. He may have gotten caught up in being a little too fancy at times, but I kinda like that flair in his game. I truly believe that as he works out for teams his stock will rise and then maybe people will appreciate what he can bring to this team.

hawk25 · May 1, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

i stand by what i said jc is no where near baron's level...

exodus · May 1, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

i stand by what i said jc is no where near baron's level...

Wow what a profound statement since Baron is an NBA vet and JC just finished his freshman year in college.

The fact is that their college stats are very comparable. And Baron had the same question marks coming into the league that JC has now.

Dont forget that Baron doesn't exactly have a spotless resume in the NBA.

hawk25 · May 1, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

i stand by what i said jc is no where near baron's level...

Wow what a profound statement since Baron is an NBA vet and JC just finished his freshman year in college.

The fact is that their college stats are very comparable. And Baron had the same question marks coming into the league that JC has now.

Dont forget that Baron doesn't exactly have a spotless resume in the NBA.

did u watch baron play at ucla baron talent was on another level.. baron is the most explosive point guard ive ever seen baron had crazy talent injuries slowed him down alot but hes still good.... thats "imo" we just disagree

exodus · May 1, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

i stand by what i said jc is no where near baron's level...

Wow what a profound statement since Baron is an NBA vet and JC just finished his freshman year in college.

The fact is that their college stats are very comparable. And Baron had the same question marks coming into the league that JC has now.

Dont forget that Baron doesn't exactly have a spotless resume in the NBA.

did u watch baron play at ucla baron talent was on another level.. baron is the most explosive point guard ive ever seen baron had crazy talent injuries slowed him down alot but hes still good.... thats "imo" we just disagree

As a freshman Baron averaged

11.7 pts, 5 assists and 3.1 turnovers

As a sophmore he averaged

15.9 pts, 5.1 assits and 3.3 turnovers.

Yeah, Baron sure was on another level.

Packfill · May 1, 2007

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Correct. JC is a JC clone. Except Crawford has the worst shot selection in the league. Crit may make the worst decisions running the point that I've seen from a big time prospect, in a long time.

All the kid needs is another year or two to hone his skills and his mental game. When he does that, he'll be a dang good player in the league.

But have him come out early, and it could have a team waiting 2 - 3 years to grow out of what really ails him as a b-ball player.

By that time, we might be in another total rebuilding mode.

Pick Law. He has the talent right now, and we won't have to go through growing pains if we let him run the show.

If Crittendon is anything like Crawford the Hawks should not even consider drafting him. Yuck.

hawk25 · May 1, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

i stand by what i said jc is no where near baron's level...

Wow what a profound statement since Baron is an NBA vet and JC just finished his freshman year in college.

The fact is that their college stats are very comparable. And Baron had the same question marks coming into the league that JC has now.

Dont forget that Baron doesn't exactly have a spotless resume in the NBA.

did u watch baron play at ucla baron talent was on another level.. baron is the most explosive point guard ive ever seen baron had crazy talent injuries slowed him down alot but hes still good.... thats "imo" we just disagree

As a freshman Baron averaged

11.7 pts, 5 assists and 3.1 turnovers

As a sophmore he averaged

15.9 pts, 5.1 assits and 3.3 turnovers.

Yeah, Baron sure was on another level.

im talking about talent man not stats

exodus · May 1, 2007

Quote:

jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

i stand by what i said jc is no where near baron's level...

Wow what a profound statement since Baron is an NBA vet and JC just finished his freshman year in college.

The fact is that their college stats are very comparable. And Baron had the same question marks coming into the league that JC has now.

Dont forget that Baron doesn't exactly have a spotless resume in the NBA.

did u watch baron play at ucla baron talent was on another level.. baron is the most explosive point guard ive ever seen baron had crazy talent injuries slowed him down alot but hes still good.... thats "imo" we just disagree

As a freshman Baron averaged

11.7 pts, 5 assists and 3.1 turnovers

As a sophmore he averaged

15.9 pts, 5.1 assits and 3.3 turnovers.

Yeah, Baron sure was on another level.

im talking about talent man not stats

So his talent was on another level but he just chose not to use it. OK

hawk25 · May 1, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

i stand by what i said jc is no where near baron's level...

Wow what a profound statement since Baron is an NBA vet and JC just finished his freshman year in college.

The fact is that their college stats are very comparable. And Baron had the same question marks coming into the league that JC has now.

Dont forget that Baron doesn't exactly have a spotless resume in the NBA.

did u watch baron play at ucla baron talent was on another level.. baron is the most explosive point guard ive ever seen baron had crazy talent injuries slowed him down alot but hes still good.... thats "imo" we just disagree

As a freshman Baron averaged

11.7 pts, 5 assists and 3.1 turnovers

As a sophmore he averaged

15.9 pts, 5.1 assits and 3.3 turnovers.

Yeah, Baron sure was on another level.

im talking about talent man not stats

So his talent was on another level but he just chose not to use it. OK

what u mean he chose not to use it baron was the third pick in the draft comin out of college if u saw him play then you know how talented he was

exodus · May 2, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

i stand by what i said jc is no where near baron's level...

Wow what a profound statement since Baron is an NBA vet and JC just finished his freshman year in college.

The fact is that their college stats are very comparable. And Baron had the same question marks coming into the league that JC has now.

Dont forget that Baron doesn't exactly have a spotless resume in the NBA.

did u watch baron play at ucla baron talent was on another level.. baron is the most explosive point guard ive ever seen baron had crazy talent injuries slowed him down alot but hes still good.... thats "imo" we just disagree

As a freshman Baron averaged

11.7 pts, 5 assists and 3.1 turnovers

As a sophmore he averaged

15.9 pts, 5.1 assits and 3.3 turnovers.

Yeah, Baron sure was on another level.

im talking about talent man not stats

So his talent was on another level but he just chose not to use it. OK

what u mean he chose not to use it baron was the third pick in the draft comin out of college if u saw him play then you know how talented he was

If his talent was on another level THEN WHY WASN'T HIS PRODUCTION ON ANOTHER LEVEL GENIUS?

hawk25 · May 2, 2007

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jc is no where near baron davis level i would say he reminds me more of jarrett jack

That's hilarious.. Crittenton's game is so completely OPPOSITE of Jack's, and actually very similar to Baron's. JC obviously isn't as good as Baron right now, but to think he doesn't have the potential to be is rediculous.

i stand by what i said jc is no where near baron's level...

Wow what a profound statement since Baron is an NBA vet and JC just finished his freshman year in college.

The fact is that their college stats are very comparable. And Baron had the same question marks coming into the league that JC has now.

Dont forget that Baron doesn't exactly have a spotless resume in the NBA.

did u watch baron play at ucla baron talent was on another level.. baron is the most explosive point guard ive ever seen baron had crazy talent injuries slowed him down alot but hes still good.... thats "imo" we just disagree

As a freshman Baron averaged

11.7 pts, 5 assists and 3.1 turnovers

As a sophmore he averaged

15.9 pts, 5.1 assits and 3.3 turnovers.

Yeah, Baron sure was on another level.

im talking about talent man not stats

So his talent was on another level but he just chose not to use it. OK

what u mean he chose not to use it baron was the third pick in the draft comin out of college if u saw him play then you know how talented he was

If his talent was on another level THEN WHY WASN'T HIS PRODUCTION ON ANOTHER LEVEL GENIUS?

maybe because of injuries

AtLaS · May 2, 2007

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If his talent was on another level THEN WHY WASN'T HIS PRODUCTION ON ANOTHER LEVEL GENIUS?

Man quit with the long quotes. Talent doesn't mean production, if it did than Vince Carter would have been the next MJ. Javaris Crittenton is very talented, but he hasn't put it all together yet. Baron was/is VERY talented, which is why he went #3 despite not having great stats.

coachx · May 3, 2007

Some of you are confusing physical ability with talent.

Crittendon has all the physical ability in the world. He just plays the game in very sloppy untalented way.

Being atheletic will get you by in all positions in basketball except PG.

PG is played with the mind. It helps to be big and atheletic but a I'd take a smart PG over a turn over prone atheltic PG any day.

Did you see Baron Davis fall apart in the last 3 minutes of game 5 vs. Golden State.

The whole game Golden State was riding their hot shooting streak. Davis would dribble up the court and the team would shoot 1 to 3 passes late running 10 seconds of shot clock.

In the last 3 minutes when it was time to run clock Baron froze. His mind did not know what to do.

Baron Davis will never advance past the 2nd round in the playoffs....He is an atheleti freak with no brains.

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