Plainview1981 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: I think we're trading the #3 pick to Grizzlies for Gasol and their first pick or some vet point guard off their team. The way this sounds it makes me think Knight doesn't want to keep the pick. Why Trade for Gasol? He's a heartless player that hasn't lived up to the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted May 23, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 He's a 20/10 player who can score in the post, block shots and put up 20/10 against some of the best players in the NBA. I'm not the hugest Gasol fan in the world but I wouldnt' call him heartless. You also have to remember Knight traded for him once before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: He's a 20/10 player who can score in the post, block shots and put up 20/10 against some of the best players in the NBA. I'm not the hugest Gasol fan in the world but I wouldnt' call him heartless. You also have to remember Knight traded for him once before. I was saying he seems like a player that would be nowhere to be found in the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted May 23, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 He put the Grizz on his back and took them to the playoffs the last two or three years so I'm not sure where that 4th quarter stuff is coming from. He didn't do great in the playoffs but that was with the entire defens designed to shut him down and he got no help from his team. He'd at least have JJ and Smoove here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: He's a 20/10 player who can score in the post, block shots and put up 20/10 against some of the best players in the NBA. I'm not the hugest Gasol fan in the world but I wouldnt' call him heartless. You also have to remember Knight traded for him once before. Belkin won't agree to that trade so no use talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlien110 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: Quote: Is there a PG Billy Knight has ever liked? The Hawks will never stand a chance with this scrub as the GM. ever heard of craig claxton... heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: He put the Grizz on his back and took them to the playoffs the last two or three years so I'm not sure where that 4th quarter stuff is coming from. He didn't do great in the playoffs but that was with the entire defens designed to shut him down and he got no help from his team. He'd at least have JJ and Smoove here. There is just something about him that bothers me. Hell though, maybe he's the best option. The team does need somebody that can score inside. If that'z the best out there what else can you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakast Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 I don't have a problem with BK making a trade. IMO, this team needs to start picking up some veteran help so we can start winning. Picking up two more rookies to throw into the starting lineup would just mean another year of losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 23, 2007 Moderators Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: Quote: He put the Grizz on his back and took them to the playoffs the last two or three years so I'm not sure where that 4th quarter stuff is coming from. He didn't do great in the playoffs but that was with the entire defens designed to shut him down and he got no help from his team. He'd at least have JJ and Smoove here. There is just something about him that bothers me. Hell though, maybe he's the best option. The team does need somebody that can score inside. If that'z the best out there what else can you do? Gasol is some serious salary to add for a team that doens't have much room under the cap. That would take some players from our end to balance out both cap-wise and in terms of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: I think we're trading the #3 pick to Grizzlies for Gasol and their first pick or some vet point guard off their team. The way this sounds it makes me think Knight doesn't want to keep the pick. Memphis wants a PG now, to go along with their athletic forwards. If push came to shove, they could always move Stromile Swift back to the 5 spot, and finally give him the chance to be the starter. Gasol + Memphis #4 for #3 + Marvin and ZaZa . . would get the deal done. Memphis might ask for more though . . like a sign and traded Josh Smith + #3 for Gasol + #4. That would be an interesting deal for both sides. Smoove fans wouldn't like it at all. Shelden fans would finally get to see if Shelden can average a double-double as a starter, while Marvin gets a chance to flourish as the #3, possibly the #2 option. Memphis lineup: PG - Conley G - Miller F - hmmm . . . Rudy Gay or Marvin F - Warrick F/C - Swift or PG - Conley G - Miller F - Gay F - Warrick F - Smith That's definitely a running team, and might be the most athletic in the league . . even more than ours. For us: PG - Speedy or Law @ #11? G - JJ F - Chill F - Smoove F/C - Gasol or PG - Speedy or Law G - JJ F - Marvin F - Shelden ( he'll probably have to start ) F/C - Gasol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasPete Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Marvin is a duplicate of a position of strength. I don't think he completes that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: Quote: He put the Grizz on his back and took them to the playoffs the last two or three years so I'm not sure where that 4th quarter stuff is coming from. He didn't do great in the playoffs but that was with the entire defens designed to shut him down and he got no help from his team. He'd at least have JJ and Smoove here. There is just something about him that bothers me. Hell though, maybe he's the best option. The team does need somebody that can score inside. If that'z the best out there what else can you do? Hot, he's a Abdur-Rahim type player in which he's a good talent, but he's not the guy you want being the star or the "go-to-guy" on the team. JJ is our guy. He's proven that he can be THE guy. If we traded for Gasol, or any other decent post player, you now create an inside-outside threat for this team, that frees up not only JJ, but everybody else on the team. But I think Memphis would be asking for Smoove in exchange for Gasol. I don't know how well that would sit with Hawk fans who are absolutely in love with Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: Marvin is a duplicate of a position of strength. I don't think he completes that deal. Not necessarily. Marvin is a much better mid-range shooter and shoots better from the line than both Gay and Warrick. Gay is the better slasher and 3 point shooter. Warrick is the most physical of the 3 and better post player. Swift plays the 4 and the 5. Gay routinely moves to the 2, whenever Mike Miller is out of the game. Warrick can play both the 3 and the 4. Marvin can play the 2, 3, and 4, in Memphis' offense. They'll find minutes for him easily, if a trade was made for him. If they want to go super athletic, they won't turn down acquiring another athlete who can shoot the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: PG - Speedy or Law G - JJ F - Marvin F - Shelden ( he'll probably have to start ) F/C - Gasol Actually, I forgot about us acquiring the #4 pick from Memphis. We could actually use that to get Brandan Wright. So Shelden may or may not have to start. In either case, we'd have Gasol in the middle, JJ on the outside, and Marvin as the #3 scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 If BK plays poker the way he drafts, he's down a helluva lot of money! There are numerous options......I'm hoping we don't screw this up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Quote: I'm not opposed to trading this pick for the right player(s) because outside the two two guys there are no "absolutes" in this draft. I'm not saying the other top guys can't be stars or even superstars but its going to be at least a mild surprise if they do. For that same reason, we are not going to get a potential star in a trade. Everyone will be looking to screw Billy in a trade - and he'll just grab his ankles and say how happy he is to get an overthehill injury ridden "veteran". Absolutely pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3bawla Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Probably Magic...six foot nine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkster411 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 I'll give BK credit for his clever trading abilities. He netted us the 2 draft picks. If we swap Memphis Gets: Smoove + #3 (Conley) Atlanta Receives: Gasol + #4 (Yi) Atlanta drafts Law The Hawks come out with a starting Center and Point Guard and groom Yi behind Sheldon. 3 big time players in a draft. Again, in BK's mind, everything is a smoke screen. The possibilities are inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uuus Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 How about our #3 and #11 for Gasol and their #4? I know we need to throw in some salary to make it work, but if they'd be willing to take Marvin, then I believe they would have to consider the #11 pick (instead) since this draft is so deep. And then we can take the point guard we want at #4 and fill our needs at the 1 and 5. Personally, this is the trade I would like BK to go after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkster411 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Memphis will take Conley at #3. You really think Crittenton/Law is worth #4? Unless we trade the #4 again to another team. Again, I have no idea if that's allowed in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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