elyiye Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Atlanta receives: Kevin Garnett & 7 pick (Conley Jr.) Minnesota receives: 3 & 11 pick (B.Wright/Yi & Noah/Hawes) Marvin Williams Shelden Williams (or Childress) Lorenzen Wright T.Lue (i wish Speedy) Lineup 2007: Foye/Davis/Marvin/B.Wright/Noah Maybe is a fair deal, imagine this Atlanta lineup 2007: 1.- Conley/ Speedy / AJ 2.- Joe J/ Childress/ Salim 3.- Josh Smith/ J.Childress 4.- KG / JSmith / Solomon 5.- Zaza / Batista/ Solomon Do you think Minnesota accept this ? or Atlanta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I wouldn't make that deal. Zaza's not a starter, and Garnett isn't old. All we have to do is KEEP our picks and we can have all 5 positions covered, have depth, AND have youth That trade takes away depth and youth and there's a hole in our starting 5 at C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarsitySlacker Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 You wouldn't do it from Atlanta's perspective, BusBoy? I don't understand why, I wouldn't do it from Minnesota's (though it would be tempting) How exactly can Atlanta lock up all five positions this offseason better than what would happen in this trade? There are NOT any better C options than Zaza in the draft now that Hibbert is gone, and trading for Garnett is by all means an upgrade over drafting Wright. Assuming Conley is still there at the 7 pick, he'd also be an upgrade over who we would take at the 11. By shedding Lue/Wright/Marvin/Extra Draft Pick/either Shelden or Childress, you're not putting a salary burden on the team, as the sum of all that is a wash with Garnett at the least. As for depth, what does that even matter right now? If Woodson does stay, he only plays his top 7 anyways. Solomon, Speedy, AJ, and Shelden or Childress will still be there for a 9 man rotation. Wheras Minnesota has potential, yes, but a team of Foye/Davis/Marvin/Wright/Blount isn't exactly an upgrade over what they already had, and now their big trading chip in Garnett is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Quote: There are NOT any better C options than Zaza in the draft now that Hibbert is gone Here is where I disagree. If you wait to #11 to get a C, then sure Zaza's got him beat because it will be jack squat left. But not at 3, certainly not at 3. Zaza Pachulia is not a better prospect than Joakim Noah or Yi Jianlian. Zaza's a nice bargain for what we paid for him but do you really think he's better than two guys who could have been the #1 pick in last year's draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarsitySlacker Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Neither one of those guys is a center. Yi is considered by a lot of people to not even be strong enough to play PF. And if we start the season with Noah at the C, then I will renounce my fandom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Quote: Neither one of those guys is a center. Yi is considered by a lot of people to not even be strong enough to play PF. And if we start the season with Noah at the C, then I will renounce my fandom. Both are listed at PF/C. Noah isn't a popular player outside the Hawks fanbase but from day one he'll be a better defender than Pachulia who A)Can't play D and B)Gives a half-ass effort trying to play it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falc82 Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Yi has the height to play center, but not the strength or the defensive ability we should look for in a center. He is more of a SF/PF (albeit from the small sample of video I've been able to see). Noah on the other hand I could see playing center in an up tempo style offense. Do we play that style? No. But if he hits the weight room I can see him doing just fine. He is a help defender more than a "defensive presence" much like Smoove is, but I think he would be a good pick all the same. Only he is a serious reach at #3, and is better suited to #11 where I think he will still be available at. I like this deal for the Hawks as well. I don't know if Minny would do it, but it really is a nice package and seems fair for both teams. KG/JJ/Smoove is an incredible nucleus to base a team around. Adding either Conley or Law (Hopefully Conley) at PG, and retaining ZaZa at center would make us a contender in the east. I really think Minny would hold out for Smoove, and I wouldn't give him up in this package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Quote: Atlanta receives: Kevin Garnett & 7 pick (Conley Jr.) Minnesota receives: 3 & 11 pick (B.Wright/Yi & Noah/Hawes) Marvin Williams Shelden Williams (or Childress) Lorenzen Wright T.Lue (i wish Speedy) Lineup 2007: Foye/Davis/Marvin/B.Wright/Noah Maybe is a fair deal, imagine this Atlanta lineup 2007: 1.- Conley/ Speedy / AJ 2.- Joe J/ Childress/ Salim 3.- Josh Smith/ J.Childress 4.- KG / JSmith / Solomon 5.- Zaza / Batista/ Solomon Do you think Minnesota accept this ? or Atlanta? This would be tempting for Minnesota and as much as I like Marvin, I would do this in a heartbeat! We would instantly be a top 4 team in the east. And if the chemistry was right, who knows what the limit would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Quote: Atlanta receives: Kevin Garnett & 7 pick (Conley Jr.) Minnesota receives: 3 & 11 pick (B.Wright/Yi & Noah/Hawes) Marvin Williams Shelden Williams (or Childress) Lorenzen Wright T.Lue (i wish Speedy) Lineup 2007: Foye/Davis/Marvin/B.Wright/Noah Maybe is a fair deal, imagine this Atlanta lineup 2007: 1.- Conley/ Speedy / AJ 2.- Joe J/ Childress/ Salim 3.- Josh Smith/ J.Childress 4.- KG / JSmith / Solomon 5.- Zaza / Batista/ Solomon Do you think Minnesota accept this ? or Atlanta? other then this just being really stupid because he will only have him for one year, his salary is 30 million, I don't think if you put JJ in the deal it would match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 keep the picks, fire BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezmund Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I don't think 2 years of KG is worth 2 lottery pick. I'd offer this package... Zaza Pachulia Josh Childress Marvin Williams Lorenzen Wright Speedy Claxton for KG / cheap roster balance player See if anyone outbids that. If so? So be it. That trade pretty much gives them a couple of starters and some bench guys BUT we actually save money by moving Claxton, we can target BPA (Yi?) at #3 and maybe look at best PG/C available at #11. Crittenton? That trade would give us some short term star power and reduce redundancy. Who outside of maybe Chicago could/would offer a package better than Marvin/Chill/Zaza? Minnesota would have Foye / James / Hudson / Claxton Davis / Childress / McCants Marvin / Hassell Zaza / Blount Plus #7 pick to look for a starting PF. They could look at either Brandan Wright, Al Horford or Joakim Noah. We have..... Crittenton / Joe / Smith / Yi / Garnett with little depth. We can use marginal cap space on the short term to add a veteran wing and a veteran big to come off the bench. What veteran wouldn't want to play with Joe / Smith / Garnett? I KNOW we are getting a future HOF player here for basically a lot of clutter and potential BUT how many teams would offer more? I don't see Charlotte trading away their young talent. Chicago is a team that could certainly beat our package. Phoenix could beat our package with some sort of Shawn Marion / Boris / Barbosa deal. I think Portland could as well with a Randolph / Webster / Aldridge package. I just don't see those teams doing it outside of maybe Chicago. Basically my point is, if we are going to have to give away our future for 2 years of a player no matter how good, we shouldn't have to give away both our lottery picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Quote: I don't think 2 years of KG is worth 2 lottery pick. I'd offer this package... Zaza Pachulia Josh Childress Marvin Williams Lorenzen Wright Speedy Claxton for KG / cheap roster balance player See if anyone outbids that. If so? So be it. That trade pretty much gives them a couple of starters and some bench guys BUT we actually save money by moving Claxton, we can target BPA (Yi?) at #3 and maybe look at best PG/C available at #11. Crittenton? That trade would give us some short term star power and reduce redundancy. Who outside of maybe Chicago could/would offer a package better than Marvin/Chill/Zaza? Minnesota would have Foye / James / Hudson / Claxton Davis / Childress / McCants Marvin / Hassell Zaza / Blount Plus #7 pick to look for a starting PF. They could look at either Brandan Wright, Al Horford or Joakim Noah. We have..... Crittenton / Joe / Smith / Yi / Garnett with little depth. We can use marginal cap space on the short term to add a veteran wing and a veteran big to come off the bench. What veteran wouldn't want to play with Joe / Smith / Garnett? I KNOW we are getting a future HOF player here for basically a lot of clutter and potential BUT how many teams would offer more? I don't see Charlotte trading away their young talent. Chicago is a team that could certainly beat our package. Phoenix could beat our package with some sort of Shawn Marion / Boris / Barbosa deal. I think Portland could as well with a Randolph / Webster / Aldridge package. I just don't see those teams doing it outside of maybe Chicago. Basically my point is, if we are going to have to give away our future for 2 years of a player no matter how good, we shouldn't have to give away both our lottery picks. You don't want to give up two lottery picks but you are willing to trade a recent number 2 overall pick and recent number 6 overall pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Quote: Quote: I don't think 2 years of KG is worth 2 lottery pick. I'd offer this package... Zaza Pachulia Josh Childress Marvin Williams Lorenzen Wright Speedy Claxton for KG / cheap roster balance player See if anyone outbids that. If so? So be it. That trade pretty much gives them a couple of starters and some bench guys BUT we actually save money by moving Claxton, we can target BPA (Yi?) at #3 and maybe look at best PG/C available at #11. Crittenton? That trade would give us some short term star power and reduce redundancy. Who outside of maybe Chicago could/would offer a package better than Marvin/Chill/Zaza? Minnesota would have Foye / James / Hudson / Claxton Davis / Childress / McCants Marvin / Hassell Zaza / Blount Plus #7 pick to look for a starting PF. They could look at either Brandan Wright, Al Horford or Joakim Noah. We have..... Crittenton / Joe / Smith / Yi / Garnett with little depth. We can use marginal cap space on the short term to add a veteran wing and a veteran big to come off the bench. What veteran wouldn't want to play with Joe / Smith / Garnett? I KNOW we are getting a future HOF player here for basically a lot of clutter and potential BUT how many teams would offer more? I don't see Charlotte trading away their young talent. Chicago is a team that could certainly beat our package. Phoenix could beat our package with some sort of Shawn Marion / Boris / Barbosa deal. I think Portland could as well with a Randolph / Webster / Aldridge package. I just don't see those teams doing it outside of maybe Chicago. Basically my point is, if we are going to have to give away our future for 2 years of a player no matter how good, we shouldn't have to give away both our lottery picks. You don't want to give up two lottery picks but you are willing to trade a recent number 2 overall pick and recent number 6 overall pick? Glad someone else saw that. Plus, I think KG needs to go somewhere like Houston where he doesn't have to be the #1 option. I feel he is better suited as a #2 player. Would it work with JJ? Possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezmund Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I don't necessarily want to trade for KG but that is what the subject line was about. I personally value #3 more than Marvin and I value #11 more than Childress right now. Also, with Childress, he will be a RFA next year and are we willing to pay him to stay on the bench? I'd rather have a #11 pick with 4 years of rookie salary to sit on the bench. I actually like Childress and thinks that is a valuable part of a trade assuming the team he goes to wants to resign him. All in all, I probably would be hesitant to make a deal for any player already past their prime. (JO/KG) I see what you are saying, though. If Marvin will ever become the player we want him to then 'heck no', I want to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Quote: I don't necessarily want to trade for KG but that is what the subject line was about. I personally value #3 more than Marvin and I value #11 more than Childress right now. Also, with Childress, he will be a RFA next year and are we willing to pay him to stay on the bench? I'd rather have a #11 pick with 4 years of rookie salary to sit on the bench. I actually like Childress and thinks that is a valuable part of a trade assuming the team he goes to wants to resign him. All in all, I probably would be hesitant to make a deal for any player already past their prime. (JO/KG) I see what you are saying, though. If Marvin will ever become the player we want him to then 'heck no', I want to keep him. I would value them more as well but for the fact that it appears BK will be making the picks again for the Hawks. As a result, its a push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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