Crit got the promise from BK

[jezmund]

I haven't looked up the stats but Coach Hewitt's GT PG's historically have high TO Ratios. We don't really have an offense. Critty was asked to 'make plays'. On a team with other ball handlers and scorers I feel that his TO's will go down. I'm also not saying he is as good or better than Conley, just saying that I'm not sure if the difference is as great as #3 and #11.

[TroyMcClure]

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He did not play for the AAU Celtics (with Dwight and Josh).

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And yeah he did play with Josh on the Atlanta Celtics.

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Which is it? It really doesn't matter, though.

A few of those guys used to come to my gym. Caused a huge melee once and threatened to get their "gats" and such. Wasn't Dwight or Josh. Never remembered any of them, really. I just remember those gay 3 digit jerseys. Just being on that team doesn't make you NBA good. Being pretty good at Tech is more of an indicator. Still, I don't think he is the answer. He was just on TV and in the papers locally, a lot.

[Swatguy]

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Swat has no class. He is always going places on this board where people don't go on basketball message boards. He brings race into the equation, calling people who don't like BK and Woodson racists.

He also frequently crosses the line on religion as he has in this post.

Without action by the mods on issues like these, the board will deteriorate into a free for all where religion, politics, and race are allowed in the discussions. Funny, a guy uses the word bozo and is called an uncircumsised simpleton. The hypocrisy is just a little obvious.

Swat has crossed the line for about the 5th time in this area. When is it enough?

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Guess what,I'mthrough trying tomake a point with those and you who routinely call people out of their names. You see it is touchy if it is called on you. Butit has been simply an exercise of why you really should not insult each other. I don't race bait if race is in it I tell it like it is. Some use these names for others such as idiot, moron, retard and may not know there definitions. Truth isnot many here qualify for those descriptions and no one likes being desribed as.

When is the line crossed for insulting our team leaders and players?

I have no fear of being banned but you haters are boring me. Say what you will.

[Hatertots]

"BK hit leg out singles (busts to role players with mid lottery, role player to avg starter with high lottery), while the TWO other players remotely possibly considered have been home runs (Paul, Deron, Roy, Deng), triples (Iggy), or a ground rule double (Foye). It's the worst slugging percentage in lottery pick NBA GM history. It's the "All Ho-Hummer Team" brought to you by BK. "

Walter, what you've written here is demonstrably untrue.

In the 2003 draft, Knight selected Boris Diaw with the 21st pick. He started at center for the Suns during the playoffs while Amare was injured, won the Most Improved Player award in the 05-06 season, and averages around 10ppg and 4rpg. Hard to call that a bust. With the 17th pick in the 2004 draft, Knight took Josh Smith. Pretty safe to say that guy's more than a role player or a bust.

In that same draft, Knight selected Josh Childress with the 6th pick, one pick before the much celebrated Luol Deng, who you rate as a home run. And yet, statistically, these players look very similar. Last season, Deng shot .517% from the field and .777% from the line while averaging 7.1rpg. Childress shot .504% from the field and .795% from the line with 6.2rpg. The only two glaring exceptions are in ppg, where Deng scores 5.8 more ppg than Childress (a function of Deng's greater total shots), and in 3pt% where Josh absolutely buries Deng: .338% (26-77) compared to .143% (1-7).

I don't follow how Josh's ability to shoot 3s reduces his value from a home run to a swinging bunt. Is Deng a lockdown defender with strong leadership qualities and great intangibles? I mean that question seriously; I didn't watch any Bulls games last year and seriously have no idea what Deng brings to the table other than his measured production. I did watch the Hawks play, however, and JChill always seemed to play with energy, do all the little things, and give the Hawks a lift off the bench. Steve Smith commented on this a number of times during Hawks telecasts.

In 2005 the Hawks picked up Marvin Williams with the 2nd pick. At the age of 20 and in his 2nd season, he's averaged 13.1 ppg on .433% shooting and going .817% from the line. He also grabbed 5.3rpg. For the sake of comparison, in his second season Carmelo Anthony scored 20.8ppg on .431% shooting and scooped up 5.7rpg. That doesn't make Marvin into Carmelo but those kind of numbers hardly indicate bust or role player or even average starter.

Picking Marvin, the BPA, wasn't even a bad pick on Knight's part. At the time, the Joshes had just completed their first season. How could you pass on the BPA on the basis that you had two first year forwards on your roster? What if one (or both) didn't pan out? Fortunately, the Hawks have the exact opposite problem because all three look like they're going to have nice NBA careers. That's a great problem to have!

Finally, Knight took Shelden Williams with the 5th pick in the 2006 draft. I thought this was a questionable pick then and I still think it's a questionable pick. After the shoulder wrap came off, however, he did show that he could contribute when given minutes. I'm for giving the man another season before leaning one way or the other. That Roy was selected later and won the Rookie of the Year award is great for Roy and great for Portland. In Atlanta, Joe's the guy and Roy would've rotted on the bench. Billy's 2nd round pick, Solomon Jones, also looked pretty good.

Billy's acquired more players (Diaw, Smith, Childress, M. Williams, Stoudamire) and fewer busts (N/A) than his predecessor. From 1997-2000, the only real player the Hawks managed to draft was Jason Terry while busting on Dermarr Johnson, Dion Glover, Cal Bowdler, Jumaine Jones, Roshown McLeod, and Ed Gray. If we're going to play the woulda coulda shoulda game, here's a who's who of missed opportunities over that 4 draft stretch: Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, Ricky Davis, Al Harrington, Hedo Turkoglu. The 2001 draft, however, absolutely blows all of that out of the water. At the top of the first round, the Hawks traded 3rd pick Pau Gasol for Shareef Abdur-Rahim, and at the bottom of the first selcted Jamaal Tinsley one pick ahead of Tony Parker and three picks ahead of second-rounder Gilbert Arenas. Even Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge can't dream of that kind of draft day futility.

[Sothron]

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You sound like an uncircumcised simpleton. But I won't call you out of your name. Christians dont do that.

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I really think you should've already been banned. If you'd been mocking his race, you would've been.

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I agree. This is not the first time that troll has insulted me for religious reasons and once again no action is taken against him. And yet if I called a black poster on this site a "N" word then I absolutely know and would expect to be banned.

Sad to see protection of posters extends only to race.

[Admin]

I highly doubt its protection of posters. More likely is the fact that only Chillz and Kudzu are moderators around here and neither of them are regular enough posters to catch everything. If you feel slighted (or any of you for that matter) I would suggest sending a PM to either or both of them and that will most definitely get their attention.

[Swatguy]

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You sound like an uncircumcised simpleton. But I won't call you out of your name. Christians dont do that.

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I really think you should've already been banned. If you'd been mocking his race, you would've been.

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I agree. This is not the first time that troll has insulted me for religious reasons and once again no action is taken against him. And yet if I called a black poster on this site a "N" word then I absolutely know and would expect to be banned.

Sad to see protection of posters extends only to race.

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I'm a straight-up Atlantan, A Hawks Fan.I support the team, players and administration as they strive to be their best and provide good basketball. I am a long way from "a Troll", I I'm....Swatguy.

Trolls bash my team and call them names.

[Sothron]

You aren't worth the effort. Welcome to ignore, troll.

[TexasPete]

Hey swat, you wanna be blessed or you wanna be right?

[Swatguy]

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Hey swat, you wanna be blessed or you wanna be right?

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Blessed without a doubt. You win.

[AHF]

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I will go out on a limb and match your bet that you had with Diesel dollar wise and say that Shelden Williams will average a double double next season (proving he stays a Hawk). Care to take me up on that bet?

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I take your bet. $20 bucks to HS from you if SW doesn't average a double/double for the season and vice versa from me.

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I just followed a link to this thread and saw this bet again. Dolfan and Diesel v. Walter on this one. The pick of Horford in the draft pretty much kills any chance of the double D side winning, IMO.