Question for ALL of the MCJ at 3 Fans...

[exodus]

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I said he's not a great shooter..lord!

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This is what you said.

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Yeah but that's true, Conley can't shoot.

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I am not surprised that you cant remember your own comments.

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None of the team they face are nba caliber PG anyways

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He played against the best teams. Florida is noted for their defense yet Conley had no trouble scoring against them. He also showed that he can score in the clutch.

If a guy can't shoot what difference does it make who is defending him anyway?

[Diesel]

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Remember that BK has passed on Deron and Paul, and we need a lead guard big time. To me, Conley is the only one that makes sense.

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If all we had was the 3rd pick in the draft, that might make sense, but I would still look to trade down.

I say with the 3rd pick, we use that to get Gasol. WIth the 11th pick, I would take either Law or Critt in that order.

[oiatlhawksfan]

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He played against the best teams. Florida is noted for their defense yet Conley had no trouble scoring against them. He also showed that he can score in the clutch.

If a guy can't shoot what difference does it make who is defending him anyway?

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Yeah Tauren Green is a great lock-down defender.

[oiatlhawksfan]

to add to that, there is also alot of PGs avaliable that are better, than COnley. Caldron, Steve Blake, Mo Williams, Jarret jack, are all avaliable this off-season.

[exodus]

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If a guy can't shoot what difference does it make who is defending him anyway?

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I didn't think you would have an answer for this.

[BusBoyIsBack]

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Nothing about Yi suggests that he will be able to defend in the NBA.

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Is this hidden racism or something?? He's 7 foot. 245 and he has very good lateral movement. If he has bad defensive practices, he's young enough to learn good one. He had 2 blocks when he played 24 minutes against team USA. That doesn't suggest that he's a shot blocker but against the best players in the world, playing Center for his team, getting 2 blocks is something.

How do you come to a point where you say he won't be able to defend in the NBA?? Have you seen how well this guy moves from side to side? Have you looked at his footwork?

That's about the most racist statement I've seen in a while.

Next you'll be saying he can't jump.

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I think people are being consciously and subconsciously prejudice towards Yi.

The usage of words like "soft" are the biggest giveaway seeing that is clearly not an accurate description of the guy.

It's just something ASSUMED because he's a Chinese product.

I agree though. People think Conley can learn how to shoot, they think Solomon Jones can gain weight, they LaMarcus Aldridge "a player with a REAL soft reputation" can man up, but they have no faith in Yi even though nothing suggest Yi has any physical or mental limitations.

So they may not be racist, but there are sure signs of prejudice.

[Diesel]

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The Hawks are a turnover prone team

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This is called trying to fit your argument with fake facts.

The Hawks ranked 10th in TO Differential... That means that we actaully cause more turnovers than we make.

The Hawks ranked 22nd in TOs. Just behind Utah and ahead of Chicago.

If you want a PG who want turn the ball over and can't shoot, well that's ROYAL Ivey.

Let's talk about the Hawks real problem.

We rank Dead LAST in Scoring and in 3 pt shooting.

DEAD LAST

Why bring a guy who shoots 30% from distance and 69% from the free throw line... to the Hawks?? WHY?

[AHF]

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Nothing about Yi suggests that he will be able to defend in the NBA.

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Is this hidden racism or something?? He's 7 foot. 245 and he has very good lateral movement. If he has bad defensive practices, he's young enough to learn good one. He had 2 blocks when he played 24 minutes against team USA. That doesn't suggest that he's a shot blocker but against the best players in the world, playing Center for his team, getting 2 blocks is something.

How do you come to a point where you say he won't be able to defend in the NBA?? Have you seen how well this guy moves from side to side? Have you looked at his footwork?

That's about the most racist statement I've seen in a while.

Next you'll be saying he can't jump.

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I think people are being consciously and subconsciously prejudice towards Yi.

The usage of words like "soft" are the biggest giveaway seeing that is clearly not an accurate description of the guy.

It's just something ASSUMED because he's a Chinese product.

I agree though. People think Conley can learn how to shoot, they think Solomon Jones can gain weight, they LaMarcus Aldridge "a player with a REAL soft reputation" can man up, but they have no faith in Yi even though nothing suggest Yi has any physical or mental limitations.

So they may not be racist, but there are sure signs of prejudice.

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If you don't think he has a problem with defense and strength I think that is clear sign you haven't read the scouting reports on him or seen how sub-NBA players have lit him up in important games.

[Diesel]

& Hawks = Worst FG% and 3PT% team in the league.

Enough Said.

[AHF]

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& Hawks = Worst FG% and 3PT% team in the league.

Enough Said.

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By that rationale Jason Kidd is a detriment to a team's offense.

It is more important how a guy runs a team than how he shoots (even though that is a significant factor).

The fact that Speedy, Lue and Ivey are incapable of running an offense is the biggest problem we had other than a lack of a definable offensive system last season.

[Diesel]

Can't cosign there AHF...

When a guy says that a 21 year old player who has very good lateral movement and is 7'1" 245 Shows no signs that he can ever be a good defender...

That has stepped past Hyperboyle into blatant Racism. He might as well have said, Since he's chinese he can't jump... or something to that effect.

It makes no sense.

[exodus]

If a guy can't defend Chinese players it isn't reach to say he can't guard NBA players.

[Diesel]

Two things:

1. Jason Kidd is also 6'4 210 lbs.

You see, there's a difference between a 6'1 170lb guy willing to make his living by drive and dish and a 6'4" 170lb guy willing to do the same. It's very unlikely that conley Jr. can play the same style in the NBA at his size. Read TJ Ford's injury ledger.

2. Jason Kidd is not on the worst 3Pt shooting team in the game.

If you don't think that the league won't exploit this guys lack of a shot, you haven't been watching the league long. Why do you think Brevin Knight is not effective? Brevin Knight could go out and get 8-9 assist per game.. But hasn't been an effective PG because teams can isolate him and force him to try to score and he can't do it from outside. When he comes inside, he goes to the IL for half a month. Check his ledger too.

[exodus]

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The Hawks ranked 22nd in TOs. Just behind Utah and ahead of Chicago.

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You are forgetting (big surprise) that the Hawks played at a slow pace. Pace adjusted only 4 teams turned it over more than the Hawks.

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Why bring a guy who shoots 30% from distance and 69% from the free throw line... to the Hawks?? WHY?

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His speed with the ball will get guys easy buckets on the fast break. This past season our fast break was a comedy of errors.

His ability to get to the rim and finish will force the defense to collapse opening up easier shots. This past season we had nobody who could consistently break down the D off the dribble.

YOu also have to remember that our best 3 point shooters missed an extended amount of time last season.

And the fact that he came up big with his scoring in the tourney (which you still refuse to acknowlege) shows that he isn't afraid to take over in the clutch.

[AHF]

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Two things:

1. Jason Kidd is also 6'4 210 lbs.

You see, there's a difference between a 6'1 170lb guy willing to make his living by drive and dish and a 6'4" 170lb guy willing to do the same. It's very unlikely that conley Jr. can play the same style in the NBA at his size. Read TJ Ford's injury ledger.

2. Jason Kidd is not on the worst 3Pt shooting team in the game.

If you don't think that the league won't exploit this guys lack of a shot, you haven't been watching the league long. Why do you think Brevin Knight is not effective? Brevin Knight could go out and get 8-9 assist per game.. But hasn't been an effective PG because teams can isolate him and force him to try to score and he can't do it from outside. When he comes inside, he goes to the IL for half a month. Check his ledger too.

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I never said Conley = Kidd. However, you rationale didn't account for things like height, etc.

I think Conley shoots the ball MUCH better than Rondo but that both will be very effective PGs in the league.

As for height, remember that the height difference between Kidd and Conley is the same as between Knight and Conley. To the extent greater height benefits Kidd vis-a-vis Conley, it would benefit Conley vis-a-vis Knight.

Conley shot 52% last year. Knight's FG% his senior year at Stanford was 40%. Not exactly comparable finishers in the paint. (Knight shot 35% from the field and 20% from 3pt range his freshman year).

[AHF]

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Can't cosign there AHF...

When a guy says that a 21 year old player who has very good lateral movement and is 7'1" 245 Shows no signs that he can ever be a good defender...

That has stepped past Hyperboyle into blatant Racism. He might as well have said, Since he's chinese he can't jump... or something to that effect.

It makes no sense.

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I don't think saying that Yi can never be a great defender is blatant racism but I do agree that there is no reason to assume that he can't develop into a much better defender. There is very good reason to believe defense will be a weakness for him that he will have to overcome (and in a best case scenario turn into a strength).

I haven't seen anyone who has said Yi can't jump. If they did, that clearly isn't accurate.

I do think anyone who isn't concerned about Yi's defense for the immediate future hasn't read the scouting reports, though.

[exodus]

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Conley shot 52% last year. Knight's FG% his senior year at Stanford was 40%. Not exactly comparable finishers in the paint. (Knight shot 35% from the field and 20% from 3pt range his freshman year).

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[thesheedera]

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Poster: Diesel

Subject: Re: 30% from 3, 69% from the FT Line.

& Hawks = Worst FG% and 3PT% team in the league.

Enough Said.

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What about 52% FG%? Isn't that the most significant of them all?

A quality PG that can truly distribute the ball can improve his team's 3P% without ever taking a 3. Conley's not a 3 point specialist right now, but neither are most of the league's best PGs these days. If we simply need a 3 point shooter then we shouldn't be looking at PGs anyway.

[Diesel]

52% from the field is not so significant considering:

It's not a true tell of his shooting. Conley Jr plays beside Oden.. His presence alone allows for a lot of open looks and drives in the pick and roll...

Very telling is some of Conley's shooting percentages while Oden was gone when playing against good competition:

UNC = 3 of 9.

Valpraiso = 2 of 5.

Iowa St. 4 of 8.

It was only until Oden showed up that he started shooting .500 or better.

The point is that we don't have an Oden.

[thesheedera]

I don't buy that at all. Show me a statistical analysis that proves that conley's shooting suffers greatly when Oden is off the floor compared to when he's on the bench and then I'll go along with it.

You just picked 3 games in December of his freshman season, one when he shot 33% (low) against an extremely deep and talented UNC team, one when he shot 40% (low, but not a horrible game) against Valpo, and one when he shot 50% (good) against Iowa St. How does this prove something? How is this evidence of anything?