Moderators AHF Posted July 3, 2007 Moderators Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 My ideal lineup for the Hawks next season - list by mpg at each position not level of play: Law/Speedy/AJ/Lue JJ/Chill/Salim Marvin/Chill/Josh Smith Josh Smith/Shelden Williams/Al Horford Al Horford/Zaza Pachulia/Shelden Williams Deep bench/inactive/trade bate: AJ-Lue (one or the other is trade bate as a desirable bench player and expiring salary), Lorenzen Wright (rooted to bench), Solomon Jones (gets significant minutes only with an injury). Things are looking better in the ATL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 that's mine as well, tho if speedy is healthy after surgery, he'll get more time than law as he's awesome when healthy i think horford is our starting c from early on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Quote: My ideal lineup for the Hawks next season - list by mpg at each position not level of play: Law/Speedy/AJ/Lue JJ/Chill/Salim Marvin/Chill/Josh Smith Josh Smith/Shelden Williams/Al Horford Al Horford/Zaza Pachulia/Shelden Williams Deep bench/inactive/trade bate: AJ-Lue (one or the other is trade bate as a desirable bench player and expiring salary), Lorenzen Wright (rooted to bench), Solomon Jones (gets significant minutes only with an injury). Things are looking better in the ATL! I don't know if that is ideal but it is probably the best the Hawks have. I would probably flip Marvin and Chill but it doesn't matter that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 We are going 10 deep. Zaza and Lue are on the outside here. I am assuming AJ and Wright will be traded or just spend time playing cards. They won't be needed. PG-Acie Law/Speedy Claxton SG-Joe Johnson/Salim Stoudamire SF-Marvin Williams/Josh Childress PF-Josh Smith/Solomon Jones C-Al Horford/Shelden Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 zaza is NOT gonna ride the pine he's a top 20 center and he's only 22 and IMPROVING he gets mins over solo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosgrim Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 That would be my starting line-up as well. I think Horford will end up being the starting center coming out of camp, but it will take Law until January to be the starter, assuming Speedy is healthy. Law, however, will get around 30 minutes a night even when he doesn't start as he'll back up JJ initially. In other words we could have a 3 guard rotation through the PG and SG spots. C Chilz will rotate in at the 3 for significant minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 I realize that the summer league isn't always the best showcase for big men...but I'll have to at least reserve my opinion until after that before ranking Horford over either Zaza or Shelden at center. For now - if Speedy is healthy I would have to go with same as last year. I would like to see Acie get some solid minutes early in the season though. If we're talking "IDEAL", well I would say: PG - Chris Paul SG - (oops....dreaming) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexmethylphenidate Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Quote: We are going 10 deep. Zaza and Lue are on the outside here. I am assuming AJ and Wright will be traded or just spend time playing cards. They won't be needed. PG-Acie Law/Speedy Claxton SG-Joe Johnson/Salim Stoudamire SF-Marvin Williams/Josh Childress PF-Josh Smith/Solomon Jones C-Al Horford/Shelden Williams Pretty good but I would play AJ as a SG backup to JJ rather than Salim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexmethylphenidate Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Zaza maybe a Top 20 offensive centers in the NBA but I don't think he's the overall top 20 centers (some defensive centers are probably better than him). And I disagree on him improving... he seems to be regressing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timdawg777 Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Why do people think that Speedy will be that good when healthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Quote: zaza is NOT gonna ride the pine he's a top 20 center and he's only 22 and IMPROVING he gets mins over solo He's also one of the worst defensive centers in the league. He should not start over Horford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 To start the season they will look like this: C -Pachulia/S.Williams PF-Smith/Horford SF-M.Williams SG-Johnson/Childress PG-Claxton/Law After the All-Star break, they will look like this: (Which is my prefered line-up) C -Horford/S.Williams PF-Smith/Pachulia SF-M.Williams SG-Johnson/Childress PG-Law/Claxton A nine man rotation with Jones/Stoudamire/Lue or AJ as replacements for injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftwich Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Quote: that's mine as well, tho if speedy is healthy after surgery, he'll get more time than law as he's awesome when healthy i think horford is our starting c from early on First of all, at no point in Speedy's career has he been awesome, unless you want to go back to his Hofstra days. Secondly, AJ was by far the more valuable point guard last season. He can knock down the three when he's open, makes smart passes, and plays decent defense on the perimeter. I see him as being a better complement to Law than Speedy. AJ's type of game translate well to age. Speedy's does not. Speedy relied on his athleticism when he had it, and he no longer has it. Now he's small, can't shoot, and (if nothing's changed since last season) has average speed for the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Quote: Quote: zaza is NOT gonna ride the pine he's a top 20 center and he's only 22 and IMPROVING he gets mins over solo He's also one of the worst defensive centers in the league. He should not start over Horford i didn't say that in fact, i said horford should START as well what i disagree with is zaza not getting minutes at all...he should be in the rotation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Quote: Zaza maybe a Top 20 offensive centers in the NBA but I don't think he's the overall top 20 centers name 20 better centers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Give him Solomon mins as Smoove backup at PF. That is what about 10-12 mpg there? We will need his offense when the regulars are out resting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Quote: Zaza...seems to be regressing... interesting do u just pull [censored] out of ur ass? last year he played 3 less mpg, but: ppg: up .5 rpg: down 1 fg%: up .023 ft%: up .051 apg: down .2 spg: same bpg: same to: down .06 so he scored at a higher % and scored more, while keeping same steals/blocks in less mins; he also got less rebounds, but that's mostly due to his higher fg%, as he got less rebounds off his own misses last year, +2.5 roland rating +3.7 on/off for the hawks +2.4 against his opponent in 05/06, -.4 roland rating +0.5 on/off for the hawks -0.9 against his opponent so he went WAY up in the important stats...not a sign of regressing additionally, 2 years ago our defense was 1.3p/100 BETTER when he was off the court but last year, we were 4.7p/100 WORSE when he was off the court so his defensive impact is VASTLY improved there are NO stats to show he is regressing except 1 less rebound in 3 less mins, but that's easily explained by both shelden's arrival and his higher fg% = less free offensive rebounds off his missed shots so he is not regressing, but only improving he's 22 and a top 20 center and yet people continually think he is expendable and not part of our future we may trade him if he has good value, but he's not someone u just toss around; he's an improving top 20 center at age 22 who is one of the best bargains in the league not on a rookie contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Quote: Why do people think that Speedy will be that good when healthy? In last year's home game against the Jazz he had Deron totally spooked to bring the ball up the court. Speedy was really fast and quick before his knees gave out. It was a sight to see how he created havoc against Utah for three quarters. Of course then Salim got the "clear path" violation and they got a 7 point possession and came back from a 21 point lead in the 4th quarter...but that wasn't Speedy's fault. Granted I'm just remembering 1 game but he was a force early until he gave out. Problem was, he gave out early and often. The "quit at halftime" game was the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 It would be amazing if Law and Horford were both starting by the end of the season. But being realistic, I don't think it will happen because Woody seems to simply not play rookies. We can only hope that these two guys get solid minutes. They better play more than freaking Solomon Jones played last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 woody requested those 2 as they are more nba ready, so he better play them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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