BusBoyIsBack Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Like I said the fact that we're def in the top 3 speaks volumes. I still think our bench is stronger than Portland and Charlotte's And if Marvin plays to the level of Gerald Wallace neither one of those teams will have a better starting 5 than us either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuteke Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 of course I'd rather have Oden you goofball I'm just kicking tires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Quote: of course I'd rather have Oden you goofball I'm just kicking tires People just need to remember the 2003 draft. Anyone would be crazy to suggest Dwayne Wade was on the level of a guy who was hyped up since his Junior year in HS. WHat happened? I think it's going to be De Ja Vu all over again between Oden and Horford 4 years later and no lesson learned by the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuteke Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I think you are as positve on Horford as Negative Nancy and the Post Dodger are negative on him, but hey optimism is a good thing. just be thankful we didn't draft Yi. LOL I'm warming up to Horford as there would have been nobody there at #11 for the Hawks to pick if they had went Conley at #3. I still say Conley will be the real deal in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I realize the Bulls are a playoff team, but they still have one of the best collections of young talent in the league: Hinrich/Duhon[?] Gordon/Sefelosha [sp] Deng/Nocioni Thomas Noah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Quote: I think you are as positve on Horford as Negative Nancy and the Post Dodger are negative on him, but hey optimism is a good thing. just be thankful we didn't draft Yi. LOL I'm warming up to Horford as there would have been nobody there at #11 for the Hawks to pick if they had went Conley at #3. I still say Conley will be the real deal in the NBA. I just think when you're the 2nd most sensational player on the floor in a championship game where a record breaking EIGHT NBA players are drafted with FIVE players being taken in the top 9, then you must be doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuteke Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Quote: Quote: I think you are as positve on Horford as Negative Nancy and the Post Dodger are negative on him, but hey optimism is a good thing. just be thankful we didn't draft Yi. LOL I'm warming up to Horford as there would have been nobody there at #11 for the Hawks to pick if they had went Conley at #3. I still say Conley will be the real deal in the NBA. I just think when you're the 2nd most sensational player on the floor in a championship game where a record breaking EIGHT NBA players are drafted with FIVE players being taken in the top 9, then you must be doing something right. i do think Horford is the Anti-Durant. he had alot of talent around him which in turn makes it likely his numbers will increase in the NBA. I think Chicago got great value with Noah at #9. Brewer's handles scare me in the open floor. he looks as awkward as I do dribbling the ball at midcourt. for all I know he'll be the best of the 3 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Quote: I realize the Bulls are a playoff team, but they still have one of the best collections of young talent in the league: Hinrich/Duhon[?] Gordon/Sefelosha [sp] Deng/Nocioni Thomas Noah But the scary thing is we even match up with the most talented young team in the league in Chicago if Law and Williams match Hinrich and Deng which is not as realistic as you may think considering the talent of those two young guys. Also although we don't have the depth at PG, we got them beat at depth overall with Shelden, Solomon, Zaza, Childress, and Salim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Quote: Quote: I realize the Bulls are a playoff team, but they still have one of the best collections of young talent in the league: Hinrich/Duhon[?] Gordon/Sefelosha [sp] Deng/Nocioni Thomas Noah But the scary thing is we even match up with the most talented young team in the league in Chicago if Law and Williams match Hinrich and Deng which is not as realistic as you may think considering the talent of those two young guys. Also although we don't have the depth at PG, we got them beat at depth overall with Shelden, Solomon, Zaza, Childress, and Salim. I think having great depth in terms of young talent is nice, but if the Hawks ever want to contend they will have to replace some of that young talent with veterans. The Bulls, as an example, have the veteran front court players who have been through the playoffs before to aid in the youngsters progress. Maybe they use this year to figure out what they have and then fine tune things next year with a veteran free agent or veteran through a trade to help add experience. In the end, the most important thing is winning. A great young nucleous is meaningless if it never results in a competitive team. At some point the Hawks need to make the transition from rebuilding to competing. Hopefully that time is soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuteke Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 The Hawks have 3 years in Chill and Smoove. 2 years in Marvin. a year in Shelden and he was a college Senior. I think it would be a mistake right now to trade any of those players for a "veteran" outside of a proven star and those players won't be enough for a star. you have the capitol invested in these players in the form of time, don't be itchy now and cut bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weez Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 is that a 'head to head' ranking, i.e. how the teams would be if playing each other...or 'league-wide' (what their overall records will be at the end of the year? Portland looks great on paper...until you start to think about all of the teams in the West, what they'll have to do to make the playoffs... might change the rankings a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Quote: All I'm saying here is everybody has their weaknesses, especially the Blazers. Yeah, like SW shoulder popping out, MW hand breaking again, Childress' foot breaking, JJ's achilles tendon tearing, Lue's hip dislocating, Woody's face permanently forzen with the "dumb look" on it. You're right, every bottom dwelling team is an in jury or two (or not even that) from remaining a bottom dweller. Point? Portland is still stignificantly more talented and better positioned than us. I believe others are too. W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted July 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Quote: Portland is still stignificantly more talented and better positioned than us. I believe others are too. W Explain how Portland is "significantly more talented" than us Acie Law = Jarrett Jack Joe Johnson > Brandon Roy Marvin Williams > Travis Outlaw Josh Smith > LaMarcus Aldridge Al Horford Speedy/Lue Salim = Rudy Fernandez Josh Childress > Martel Webster Shelden Williams/Solomon Jones = McRoberts/Channing Frye Zaza Pachulia = Joel Przybilla Again explain how they are SIGNIFICANTLY more talented than us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Quote: Again explain how they are SIGNIFICANTLY more talented than us Because 1) i don't agree with your talent measures 2) They don't all play "up" or out of position 3) Their talent is heaviest at the most integral position (center) W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted July 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Quote: Because 1) i don't agree with your talent measures 2) They don't all play "up" or out of position 3) Their talent is heaviest at the most integral position (center) W So do you think Aldridge is better than Smoove? Or Travis Outlaw is better than Marvin? As far as Oden being SIGNIFICANTLY better than Horford, that's yet to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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