bumpyphish1 Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Horford really sucks, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: Horford really sucks, huh? It's nice to see him have a good game. But it will take more than one preseason game to convince me the Hawks can succeed with him as a starting center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 yeah, i'd NEVER expect a CENTER for back-to-back ncaa champ team to be decent at CENTER in the nba...how could anyone make that mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: yeah, i'd NEVER expect a CENTER for back-to-back ncaa champ team to be decent at CENTER in the nba...how could anyone make that mistake? The two time DPOY at center is on our roster and didn't exactly distinguish himself on D last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 yet shelden, who played center in college, is better in the nba at CENTER than PF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: yet shelden, who played center in college, is better in the nba at CENTER than PF... And he sucked at both. Just because he has sucked less at center in the few times he has played there isn't exactly cause for celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: yet shelden, who played center in college, is better in the nba at CENTER than PF... Shelden gave up a PER of 20.1 at center. Not a great mark for the two time DPOY in college. http://www.82games.com/0607/06ATL15C.HTM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 why are u getting off track here? shelden is better at center than pf, like his history playing center would predict horford also may be better at center than pf, like his history playing center would predict how good or not shelden turns out is irrelevant u are saying horford can't play center before he's had a chance to show if he can/can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: u are saying horford can't play center before he's had a chance to show if he can/can't And you are trying to use his college success to prove he can. And as i showed Sheldens college success hasn't translated that well. I am not saying Horford can't play center or that he can't do it better than Zaza. What i am saying is that i don't think the Hawks can be contenders with a Smith/Horford starting combo at the 4/5. That is just too small. If the goal is to be an average team then sure Horford can play the 5. If the goal is to be contenders then i just can't see it working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member AtLaS Posted October 19, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: If the goal is to be an average team then sure Horford can play the 5. If the goal is to be contenders then i just can't see it working. It's all assumptions at this point. We will soon enough find out. This has been rehashed 1000x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: Quote: If the goal is to be an average team then sure Horford can play the 5. If the goal is to be contenders then i just can't see it working. It's all assumptions at this point. We will soon enough find out. This has been rehashed 1000x. It's a dumb thread anyway. Somehow i doubt bumpy can find a quote where i said Horford sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: Quote: u are saying horford can't play center before he's had a chance to show if he can/can't And you are trying to use his college success to prove he can. no i'm not i'm simply saying: why can't he play center in nba? why not see how he does before dooming him? it's not like he played pg in college...he played center next to a 7' pf...let him try it out and then judge i'm not proving he can or can't...simply saying that it's not far fetched to believe he could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpyphish1 Posted October 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 no, i got no link to a thread where you say verbatim he "sucks". but, you do use every chance you get to talk about how he was a "decent" college player and will be average in the pro's. i don't know if you are just a uga fan (i am too - but it doesnt preclude me from being objective) or what but you are entirely wrong in your projection for horford, and i like to use every opportunity to try to put an end to that ignorance. dont even play like you dont know the attitude i am referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: but you are entirely wrong in your projection for horford, That right there shows how clueless you are. Stating i am "wrong" in my projection of Horford shows that you don't even know what a projection is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: why can't he play center in nba? Because it his highly unlikely that someone so lacking in size can be successful at center. There simply aren't that many examples of someone his size succeeding at center. All of the examples you list are going to add up to less than 10% of starting centers. Unless of course you try to list guys significantly bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpyphish1 Posted October 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: Quote: but you are entirely wrong in your projection for horford, That right there shows how clueless you are. Stating i am "wrong" in my projection of Horford shows that you don't even know what a projection is. Wow, I feel totally burned. Projection, assessment, opinion. Whatever. You got no clue what Al is all about. No matter how you want to phrase it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 and the guys who are 'undersized' centers yet play it anyway are the ones who are the top centers of the league while other teams have 7' stiffs that are much worse at center and again, who else are we gonna get if we don't use horford/shelden at center? john edwards? it's not like there is some great answer just waiting for us to sign them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: Quote: Quote: but you are entirely wrong in your projection for horford, That right there shows how clueless you are. Stating i am "wrong" in my projection of Horford shows that you don't even know what a projection is. Wow, I feel totally burned. Projection, assessment, opinion. Whatever. You got no clue what Al is all about. No matter how you want to phrase it. And in each case you are still clueless. If the weatherman says it is going to rain tomorrow you don't know if he is wrong until you wait and see if it rains tomorrow. You have no clue in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: and the guys who are 'undersized' centers yet play it anyway are the ones who are the top centers of the league Yet somehow they don't have names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quote: Quote: and the guys who are 'undersized' centers yet play it anyway are the ones who are the top centers of the league Yet somehow they don't have names. al horford 6'10 245 amare 6'10 249 dwight 6'11 265 big ben 6'9 240 okafor 6'10 255 mourning 6'10 261 curry 6'11 285 camby 6'11 235 okur 6'11 263 magloire 6'11 265 etan thomas 6'10 260 duncan 6'11 260 dalembert 6'11 250 so amare/okafor/mourning/thomas are all same height; big ben is shorter; dwight/curry/camby/okur/magloire/duncan/dalembert are all 1 measley inch taller, yet horford's 35" vertical is better than almost all of those players... only dwight/curry/magloire outweigh horford by 20+ pounds he may or may not be able to play at center...but to say he's undersized is incorrect...he's right there in the range of top centers these days...so if he can ball, then he's good to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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