oiatlhawksfan Posted November 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Horford needs to play in the 30's not the 20's. He played 28 minutes tonight and had 6pts 8reb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: Smoove looked awful all game except for that last block. He can't make any inside layups after he does his moves. Anyone else extremely pissed Marvin isn't more assertive to get the ball and attack when he gets it? Dude. Don't say that about Marvin. They will start crying. Doesn't matter that the only reason you are saying this in the first place is because you actually believe that he can score. Lunacy!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oiatlhawksfan Posted November 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: There is no one that could rationally try to sell that game as anything but horrible for Smoove. He made one block, I'll definitely give him credit for that, but that one play does not make up for the rest of the game. he also had 11rebs 4ast 4ast 2 blocks, and got to the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenzy Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: Quote: We were horrible in the beginning and come out with the win in the road. Josh played so-so, had the game winning block! The Hawks played like crap and still won. Hard to believe. JJ was clutch again with late back to back 3s which everyone will forget tomorrow. LOL i agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHayley Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 And missed like 5 FT's. Face it. Smoove cannot finish the layups on offense. His jumpshot is beyond atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted November 22, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: There is no one that could rationally try to sell that game as anything but horrible for Smoove. He made one block, I'll definitely give him credit for that, but that one play does not make up for the rest of the game. Those 4 off. rebounds and 8 FT's were important, too. If Woodson could get Smith to give up2-3 shots each to Marvin and Horford, I think we might have something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oiatlhawksfan Posted November 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Damn you Josh Smith hater, suck the life out of everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawsonsCreek Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: There is no one that could rationally try to sell that game as anything but horrible for Smoove. He made one block, I'll definitely give him credit for that, but that one play does not make up for the rest of the game. He made a great block after he screwed off that jump shot at the end (basically covering his own butt). Joe Johnson is the reason the hawks won tonight...pretty much like always. Im anxious to get Acie back. Im also interested when/if they are gonna give him the green light to start filling up the basket a little bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: There is no one that could rationally try to sell that game as anything but horrible for Smoove. He made one block, I'll definitely give him credit for that, but that one play does not make up for the rest of the game. Dude. YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!!!!!!! The problem is that when you say something like that, there are people here with extremely poor reading/comprehension skills that interpret that as meaning the guy is not a good player. The fact is... Smoove made some horrible plays out there. They were horrible because he is a great player and could be light years better if he were more disciplined. The Bucks game proved that. That said, Smoove is still a great player ( note: this line will go completely unnoticed... WOW). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: In completely unrelated news, Calderon struggles from the field (4-13), but hits 2 threes, grabs 4 rebounds, and gets 8 assists to just two turnovers as the starter for Toronto. In even more unrelated news, Biendrins scores 4 points and pulls down 4 rebounds in 18 minutes of action, as the Warriors get blown out by Boston. K. Perkins: 7 points and 7 rebounds and 4 assists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: Quote: There is no one that could rationally try to sell that game as anything but horrible for Smoove. He made one block, I'll definitely give him credit for that, but that one play does not make up for the rest of the game. Those 4 off. rebounds and 8 FT's were important, too. If Woodson could get Smith to give up2-3 shots each to Marvin and Horford, I think we might have something here. Come on man. Marvin Williams is a grown man. How can you make Smith give Marvin some shots. Marvin is the one that plays small forward. Look at how many times you see Smoove out asking for the ball. You just never see that from Marvin. IF YOU PASS THE BALL TO MARVIN, HE WILL ACCEPT IT... BUT HE WILL NEVER ASK FOR OR DEMAND THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted November 22, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: That said, Smoove is still a great Athlete ( note: this line will go completely unnoticed... WOW). Corrected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftwich Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: What a dumb response. How can you blame Woody for Marvin not shooting the ball? Wow. Let's see. Josh shoots from anywhere on the court he wants at anytime he wants. ZaZa shoots all the time. There are times when Lue and AJ take shots we think they should not and you really believe Woody has intentionally put handcuffs on a #2 overall pick that is shooting over 50% from the field????? Wow!!!! And you call me dumb? You named 4 players that get significant playing time and claimed they shoot too much. You have a good case for three of them (AJ hardly ever shoots the ball unless he's wide open). Add in JJ's shots which are deserved. The Hawks aren't left with many shots to go around, basic math there. Plus you have to factor in that MW isn't a one-on-one player, he's a jump shooter. He benefits from ball movement, and the Hawks don't have much of it a lot of the time. Whether it's Woody's fault or not, it's not out of the question that it could be his fault. And you, sasquatch, are terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhawk Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Uh... I think Joe leads the team in assist and he get's Marvin the easiest shots when Marvin moves to the open spot when Joe is double-teamed. Joe's the only player on this team that is constantly doubled every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted November 22, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Zaza seems to be in a shell. I don't see why they can't throw Shellhead some minutes as a backup C/PF and let him make the most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 While the shooting was terrible, he did everything else how he should have done it. He played defense. He REALLY hit the boards. 11 rebounds with 4 being offensive rebounds ( something he hardly ever does ). And he got the key block at the end. Smith's 4th quarter: 2 points ( 0 - 3 FG but 2 big free throws ) 4 rebounds 1 HUGE block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted November 22, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: Quote: There is no one that could rationally try to sell that game as anything but horrible for Smoove. He made one block, I'll definitely give him credit for that, but that one play does not make up for the rest of the game. Those 4 off. rebounds and 8 FT's were important, too. If Woodson could get Smith to give up2-3 shots each to Marvin and Horford, I think we might have something here. When you shoot 23% you had a horrible game esp. when you don't even attempt to play as a power forward and instead stick to the perimeter and three point land where you have no chance of being effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted November 22, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 If you look at Smith's line in terms of possessions, I think you can see some interesting things: +4 --> 4 possessions ended in him scoring 2 pts. -13 --> 13 possessions ended in him missing +2 --> 4 possessions continued by off. rebounds ***Times 0.5, assuming 1/2 of those led to scores +7 --> 7 def. rebounds end Heat possessions +2 --> 4 assists ***Times 0.5, assuming 1/2 were player-dependent -3 --> 3 turnovers = ending possessions +1 --> 2 blocks ***Times 0.5, assuming 1/2 resulted in end of Heat possession +4 --> 8 FT's made ***Times 0.5, due to value of FT vs. FG -2 --> 4 FT's missed ***Times 0.5, due to value of FT vs. FG -2 --> 4 fouls ***Times 0.5, assuming 1/2 of continued Heat possessions led to scores Total = 0 He equaled himself out tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 22, 2007 Moderators Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I am just thrilled we won this game when we played right into the Heat game plan by playing almost exclusively a halfcourt game. The Heat had to be thrilled with the pace and play in this one - yet we still pulled it out. Nice to see some other team forget how to beat a zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: Quote: That said, Smoove is still a great Athlete ( note: this line will go completely unnoticed... WOW). Corrected! LOL!!! That's just plain EEEEEEEvil man. Michael Meyers eeeevil. I had to read that thing a couple times before I realized what you did to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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