wolvetigers Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I know Josh Smith has all the talent in the world. Great Defense, trained with Hakeem Olaujawon in the summer, but he still takes ill advised shots and seems impossible to coach. I know the rule of thumb shared by most fans would be to Keep smith an explore trading Marvin but I dont know how many games we can win when uncoachable Josh Smith takes ill advised shots time after time and then argues with the coach repeatedly. His Value is very high, should we explore trading him b/c eventually if not already will be a cancer in the locker room? And JJ will not wait around much longer for the Hawks to get serious. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oiatlhawksfan Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Dude shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 He is shooting 38.8% coming into tonights game. It's probably 25% after tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolvetigers Posted November 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Ok genius what do you propose? I have been to countless Hawks games the last two years especially sitting a few seats behind the bench and I'm telling you Josh Smith needs to grow up and increase his basketball IQ. Not only that but you would think in his contract year he would atleast be improving his game. Mike Woodson will most likely be the fall guy this season b/c in my city we get caught up in highlight reels. The same football highlight reels that VIck use to dominate. I know the season is young but we cant blame the coach for everything. Josh Smith is playing DUMB A$$ hell on offense, and now when JJ is struggling Joshs play is just magnified. But lets live and die with Josh Smith...you idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted November 28, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 If we could get the right deal I would trade Smoove in a heartbeat. He is a walking disaster on offense and his defense and rebounding don't even come close to making up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I have definitely been one to be against trading Josh Smith as such an early time in his career with the talent he shows. But I must admit that while watching the game tonight, that thought crept into my brain. It's a two-fold issue: 1- he is someone who pouts. he is not a rasheed wallace complaining type player. but he does pout, he sulks and when we're down it drives me nuts. i am frustrated too josh, but stop sulking. want to be less frustrated? stop shooting 2- some call him a tweener. too small for power forward, not good enough shot for small forward......actually, i say it's something a little different. I think he's a guard type player, but without a guard's offensive skills or handles and who happens to be in a smallforward-powerforward body. he has obviously played most of his life facing the basket in a sg type role in high school........what is strange is that he hit some 3's in high school, at least maybe he was average...but it's like he became manute bol with is shot or something...too rigid....anyway, he's a too big shooting guard without a shot or handles. but with that said, i'm not ready yet to pull a trigger unless we're getting back a really good true center. but i can't think of one that fits the bill. i think his attitude issues maybe subside a little once (if) we start winning. honestly, we need a talented vet on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted November 28, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 It's funny, because the Bulls are experienced the same kind of problems from Tyrus Thomas, just on a smaller scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member AtLaS Posted November 28, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 It's so sad that none of you realize how bad our TEAM offense is. Put Josh on a different team, with even a DECENT PG and coach and he will absolutely explode. It will be the Nique trade all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3bawla Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 As bad as he is offensively (and it was pathetic today)...he's only 21. He's leading the league in blocks and has shown flashes to have big time offensive talent. That said, we gotta do something about JJ and him being on the same side. JJ will get doubled leaving Smoove with the open BRICK. That needs to be Marvin shooting that shot (as time winds down). Also, why don't we set screens on offense? It seems like Chicago ran a ton more screens for their jump shooters than we do. I'd like to see Joe and Marvin get more (and better) screens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJHAWK Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 If this was street ball Id say hell no keep Smoove. Problem is its the nba and you need guys who know how to play a fluid game on offense and give all out effort on defense. Smoove can make great blocks and great dunks but he is a flat out murderer of a team offense and plays very bad team defense which his great athletic ability makes up for sometimes but sometimes it doesnt. YES WE NEED TO TRADE SMOOVE nad I am certain BK has tried but it has to make sense for us. We cant just give him away. He has potential which in this league has higher value to gm's than most players who make all star teams. If we could get Gasol for Smoove we have to do it. I dont know enough about Biedrins to say yes or no, I just havnt seen him play alot. Who else is out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Quote: It's so sad that none of you realize how bad our TEAM offense is. Put Josh on a different team, with even a DECENT PG and coach and he will absolutely explode. It will be the Nique trade all over again. Josh Smith being compared to Nique. You are either way to young to have ever seen Nique play; or you were drunk and/or on drugs when you did. Smoove has absolutely no game and I mean no game compared to Nique! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted November 28, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Smith will not "explode" on another team on the offensive side of the ball any more than the rest of the athletic forwards in the league. That doesn't mean you have to trade him, though. You trade him because he's got the most value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted November 28, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 What flashes of offensive talent has he shown? Be honest here. Does he have a low post game in any way? No. Does he have a reliable jump shot? No. Does he have a reliable three point range? No. What exactly DOES he have besides some fast break or put back dunk potential on a regular basis? I am not being a hater. I am being serious. Go back and look at his game film and tell me what he does on offense on a reliable basis that makes you think he's worth the 10 million plus a year it will take to resign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member AtLaS Posted November 28, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Who's comparing him to Nique?? I said if we trade him (unless we get an all-star in return), it will be as bad as the Nique trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJHAWK Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 The problem is JOSH THINKS HE IS NIQUE but he just doesnt have anything close to that type of game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3bawla Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Josh also seems to play too upright. He bends at his waist instead of with his knees on his shot and when he tries to drive to the basket. The lower he gets the more explosive he is. He's less explosive (it's been a while since I saw him dunk) and he NEVER shoots fade aways, so ends up getting blocked and shooting very awkward shots. One good thing he's doing offensively is getting to the line. He's averaging 8 per and went 10 times tonight. A know in a few games he'll give us a game where he gets 21 points (on like 13 shots), 11 boards, 4 assists, 6 blocks, and 3 steals...and I'll remember why I know that we need to stick with this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3bawla Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 He was awesome that Milwaukee game. He was spinning and driving all over the place...and it was falling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasPete Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Josh just shoots too damn much. But Woody watches his 2-14 crap and never bats an eye. Our offensive "scheme" is so freaking lousy it makes me puke. Bruce Levenson and Gearon must just be total dumbasses to let this continue. Much more of Woody and this whole thing is headed off a cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted November 28, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 So one good game makes up for what, four or five horrible ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Quote: Who's comparing him to Nique?? I said if we trade him (unless we get an all-star in return), it will be as bad as the Nique trade. It is not even close to that. Nique was an all star, future HOF; Josh is a young kid that has never made a all anything 1st team. And if he keeps shooting .400, he never will make a anything team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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