Time to air some dirty landry!

[Peoriabird]

Lets talk about a few misconceptions that some of our fellow squawkers may still believe to be true.

1) Al Horford cannot play center effectively in this league!

You can make an argument that his his offense is not starter quality but there should be no questions about his defense and rebounding at the center position.

2) It was the point guard's or Woody's fault that Josh Smith was not playing within the team's offensive concept.

No again! It was Josh Smith fault and now that he has corrected the problem himself, he is playing much more efficiently.

3) Joe Johnson is struggling because he has no help and he is constantly getting double teamed.

Nope! Joe Johnson is getting wide open looks and missing! He holds that ball on a regular bases and many times doesn't take good shots! His favorite is that fade away shot deep in the corner with the defense draped all over him!

4) Marvin Williams is not a good man defender!

No, Marvin is a borderline great man defender and so is Horford! This season players have been consistently well below their average while shooting a poor percentage when guarded by Marvin.

5) The point guard is a very important position in Woody system!

Please! The point guard's duty in this system other than on the break is to dribble the ball past mid court to hand it to someone who will eventually get it to Joe Johnson. That is why a Shooting point guard would be perfect for this team.

6) Smith would be better playing Small Forward and Marvin would be better off the bench.

Self explanatory! Marvin probably leads the team in +/-

7) This team is at its best in a run and gun high scoring game.

Nope! This team will win most of its game playing good transition and half court defense, rebounding the ball & limiting their turn-over.

You can be a myth buster too by add some of your observations during the first quarter of the season!

[Peoriabird]

Two more Myths

8) Al Horford = Shelden Williams

Where do I start?

9)Marvin is not aggressive enough on offense ot score on a regular basis.

Total B.S. again! The ball doesn't come his way enough and when it does, Marvin is too smart to throw up a bad shot just to shoot it!

[Iman]

I agree with most of your points, the major exception being the point guard and running thing. As we play now, you are correct, we need a point guard that can shoot since all they really do is get the ball up the court and then give it off to a playmaker. We'll never be more than just a lower level playoff team if we keep doing that.

What we need is a point guard who is the playmaker for our athletes. Stick Jason Kidd or even NJ's backup Marcus Williams on our team. Neither can shoot for crap but we'd be a much better team. With Steve Nash I believe we'd be better than Phoenix. Childress is extremely effective when running, Smoove wouldn't have to try to be a playmaker. Which brings up your point about Smoove, I do think it's Woody's system that is setting up Smoove to play outta control. Bascially we are misusing our players trying to turn them into DetroitII.

[bootsybug]

i say we make P-Bird the coach, he looks a lot smarter than woody for one thing, and he makes a lot more sense to me.

[Peoriabird]

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With Steve Nash I believe we'd be better than Phoenix.

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If Phoenix wants Joe back, I'd make that trade in a heart beat!

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I do think it's Woody's system that is setting up Smoove to play outta control.

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The problem with that argument is that Smith is the same system this month that he was in last month and the difference in his play has been night and day!

[jerrywest]

#10. AJ is useless.

Without AJ as our assistant coach/player we would be in deep trouble.

#11. Zaza is a backup center.

No. Zaza is a good 12th man.

#12. Selim is a momentum starter.

No. Mostly he is a momentum buster. We should only put him in the game when we are down double digits. Hail Mary.

#13. Speedy buys nice suits.

No. Speedy rents nice suits. His own suits are all worn out and his wife won't allow him to buy any more suit.

[Peoriabird]

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#12. Selim is a momentum starter.

No. Mostly he is a momentum buster. We should only put him in the game when we are down double digits. Hail Mary.

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#13 Salim Stoudamire is a great perimeter shooter

Actually is is one of the worse perimeter shooters on our team this year!

[jerrywest]

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I do think it's Woody's system that is setting up Smoove to play outta control.

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The problem with that argument is that Smith is the same system this month that he was in last month and the difference in his play has been night and day!

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Smoove has taken a hyperleap.

Marvin has been a different guy since the confrontation in the practice.

Horford is a different guy since he stopped those turnovers. He even made all his free throws last night.

Acie will take another week before he gets his legs and confidence back.

AJ has been pretty good lately too.

[DJlaysitup]

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Al Horford cannot play center effectively in this league!

You can make an argument that his his offense is not starter quality but there should be no questions about his defense and rebounding at the center position.

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Thing is - what could he do as a PF - Dominate IMO.

He is a perfect PF - athletic and strong. His 12 foot jumper is coming around and he can finish. We need a center.

[jerrywest]

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#10. AJ is useless.

Without AJ as our assistant coach/player we would be in deep trouble.

#11. Zaza is a backup center.

No. Zaza is a good 12th man.

#12. Selim is a momentum starter.

No. Mostly he is a momentum buster. We should only put him in the game when we are down double digits. Hail Mary.

#13. Speedy buys nice suits.

No. Speedy rents nice suits. His own suits are all worn out and his wife won't allow him to buy any more suit.

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#14. Shelden isn't a rookie

Shelden is still a rookie even though its his second year. He is no Horford but he is still a rookie in all practical purposes. He was not ready for the NBA as expected, but he can have a long career if he can adjust to NBA. He was a great #15 pick, not #5. Its BK's fault, not his.

[pound4pound]

1) Al Horford cannot play center effectively in this league!

He is proving this statement wrong – for sure but as many great rebounding games as he has – we are still losing the points in the paint and rebounding battle.

2) It was the point guard's or Woody's fault that Josh Smith was not playing within the team's offensive concept.

What offensive concept is that again?

3) Joe Johnson is struggling because he has no help and he is constantly getting double teamed.

This is a true statement – our offense is run through Joe and any graduate assistant would tell you to double him once he gets the ball off of a pick. Most of his shots are contested. Many on this board point to his poor fundamentals of fading away as to why he is missing so much – Most of his shots are fade aways because he is draped with defenders and 2 seconds are left on the clock.

4) Marvin Williams is not a good man defender!

False statement – He has improved

5) The point guard is a very important position in Woody system!

Woody has no system accept for handing the ball off to Joe. I would like to think that an Andre Miller would change that however.

6) Smith would be better playing Small Forward and Marvin would be better off the bench.

No – They both need to be on the floor at the same time and compliment each other well. If anything – last nights game showed that maybe Chillz needs less minutes because Marvin played very well not looking over his shoulder.

7) This team is at its best in a run and gun high scoring game.

This is a true statement – Horford, Smith, Marvin – 5,4,3 all run like gazelles and create fast break opportunities by themselves when they grab a board. When your 3.4.5 are running the floor and the other teams are not – you have mismatches. You also have Joe trailing for the only open looks he is going to get.

[Peoriabird]

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Thing is - what could he do as a PF - Dominate IMO.

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What the difference between playing power forward and center on defense? Small forward vs shoot guard for that matter?

[Lascar78]

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What the difference between playing power forward and center on defense? Small forward vs shoot guard for that matter?

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The average size, speed, and moves of the said players. For instance Chillz is a decent defender on SF's and gets completely abused even by average SG's because he doesn't have the lateral quickness.

[Peoriabird]

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]The average size, speed, and moves of the said players.

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So is Ben Wallace a better center or power forward? He has the size, and Speed of a power forward!

[DJlaysitup]

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1) Al Horford cannot play center effectively in this league!

He is proving this statement wrong – for sure but as many great rebounding games as he has – we are still losing the points in the paint and rebounding battle.

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Here is the key. Yes - Al Horford can play B+ center in this league. He can also play A+ PF in this league.

[pound4pound]

DJ - What would this team look like with Dalembert at C, Andre Miller at Point?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

#14 - JJ needs to play less minutes and he bogs down the offense.

Everytime JJ goes out of the game, the Hawks have MAJOR PROBLEMS offensively. So Woody is pretty much forced to play JJ. Even when he's struggling with his shot, he has to be in the game for the Hawks to function.

[Lascar78]

Ben Wallace is a freak of nature and an exception, arguably the strongest guy in the league (and averaging 5ppg on a 6-12 team). Yes I realize Ben Wallace plays C, Magic played PG, and Dirk plays PF. There are exceptions. That doesn't change the fact that standard positions developed for a reason and still apply in the vast majority of cases. Guys who play positions that aren't standard for their body typically do so because they have world-class skills in other areas that they want to take advantage of. Magic was one of the best passers of all time, Dirk is one of the best shooters in the world, and Ben Wallace is a beast.

I would bet that the 30 shortest players in the league all play PG.

[Peoriabird]

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He is proving this statement wrong – for sure but as many great rebounding games as he has – we are still losing the points in the paint and rebounding battle.

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Not sure we are losing rebounding battles because of Horford. If you are talking about the Minnesota game, it was a small forward doing all of the damage. Rebounding is a team effort not an individual effort. They corrected their rebounding problems in the Memphis game and out rebounded a much larger team by 10.

[DJlaysitup]

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DJ - What would this team look like with Dalembert at C, Andre Miller at Point?

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We would be very good.