Time to air some dirty landry!

[Peoriabird]

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Everytime JJ goes out of the game, the Hawks have MAJOR PROBLEMS offensively. So Woody is pretty much forced to play JJ. Even when he's struggling with his shot, he has to be in the game for the Hawks to function.

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They struggle big time in the last 2 games with him in the line up! They are just struggling as a team to be consistent on offense. For example, last night the hawks were up 19 points when Joe came back into the game in the 4th quarter. They won by 8.

[Peoriabird]

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DJ - What would this team look like with Dalembert at C

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Dalembert is a worse center than Horford

Head to head

Dalembert 5/10 2-5 shooting

Horford 12/13 5-9 shooting

[DJlaysitup]

We need a center. period. and a PG. Same as last year. If anybody thinks Zaza can get it done in PLAYOFF basketball go straight to the loony bin...do not pass GO and do not collect $200.

[Peoriabird]

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We need a center. period.

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Like who? and please don't say Gasol

[DJlaysitup]

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...Dalembert is a worse center than Horford

Head to head

Dalembert 5/10 2-5 shooting

Horford 12/13 5-9 shooting

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That may be true, but put them on the same team. If we are stuck with Woody's 1/2 court offense we need a center. D might noi be as good as H - but they won't be playing against each other.

[DJlaysitup]

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We need a center. period.

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Like who? and please don't say Gasol

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No - not Gasol.

[Peoriabird]

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That may be true, but put them on the same team. If we are stuck with Woody's 1/2 court offense we need a center. D might noi be as good as H - but they won't be playing against each other.

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So you want to bring Dalembert over here to start because we play half court offense. Who are you going to bench?

[Peoriabird]

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No - not Gasol.

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Eddie Curry?

[Peoriabird]

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No - not Gasol.

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Biedrins?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

LOL . . I believe the Hawks were up double digits when JJ and Horford left the game. And Memphis got a little warm offensively. But in the 2nd quarter, they literally couldn't score with JJ out of the game.

Wes Welker of the Patriots is a good receiver. But because Randy Moss is on the field, Welker sometimes looks like a great receiver. A player like JJ, in which teams try to take out, enables guys like Marvin and Smoove to see one on one coverage all night. When JJ is out, the offense almost always becomes less efficent.

[DJlaysitup]

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...So you want to bring Dalembert over here to start because we play half court offense. Who are you going to bench?

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I'm not saying get Dale so much, that was brought up by a different poster - but not a bad idea. Bottom line is - if we are stuck with Woody's "offense" - we need a true center. Horford looks to be the best draft pick we have had since #17...a true PF. So let the rest of the spots sort themselves out.

If you want to win you have to make the BEST team you can. Personal allegiances besides.

[Diesel]

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5) The point guard is a very important position in Woody system!

Please! The point guard's duty in this system other than on the break is to dribble the ball past mid court to hand it to someone who will eventually get it to Joe Johnson. That is why a Shooting point guard would be perfect for this team.

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I disagree here. We have had bad PG play. However, we have not had great PG play. The PG can do more than bring the ball up. You can easily see this in the difference our PGs have shown now as opposed to the beginning. Acie and on occassion AJ penetrates and dishes... which breaks down a defense. If we had a PG that can initiate the offense, we would be a much better team.

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Smith would be better playing Small Forward and Marvin would be better off the bench.

Self explanatory! Marvin probably leads the team in +/-

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IF this were to lead to Horf playing PF then it's true. Regardless of how good Marvin can shoot the safe shot... Smoove has the ability to play both sides of the court. When he plays going to the basket, he's a nightmare. Marvin on the other hand, thus far, is only a third or 4th option who has problems creating for himself.

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This team is at its best in a run and gun high scoring game.

Nope! This team will win most of its game playing good transition and half court defense, rebounding the ball & limiting their turn-over.

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Personnell wise, we really don't have top notch defenders. Stopping Memphis and Minny are no great feats. It's like Superman breaking a wooden pencil. It's something that anybody can do. Our time will come when we can stop other teams. AS we saw in the first quarter, when we get up and down the floor (under control) we are very dangerous. We have the wings to play an uptempo game. As of right now, we don't have a low post scorer who we can hang out hats on. As of right now, we're not one of the best defensive teams in the game. As of right now, we don't run half court plays that well. Therefore, as of right now, uptempo is a better choice for what we have.

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This team is at its best in a run and gun high scoring game.

Nope! This team will win most of its game playing good transition and half court defense, rebounding the ball & limiting their turn-over.

You can be a myth buster too by add some of your observations during the first quarter of the season!

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Given that we are running pretty much the slowest offense in the entire league it is hard to make a call on whether we are good in a fast paced offense. However, I don't really understand the "myth" here the way it is written.

If it is meant to say:

"We are better playing poor defense, not rebounding and turning the ball over"

Then I agree it is a myth.

If it is meant to say that this team should not play good defense, rebound, protect the ball, AND try to exploit defenses by running at every opportunity then I disagree.

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I disagree here. We have had bad PG play. However, we have not had great PG play. The PG can do more than bring the ball up. You can easily see this in the difference our PGs have shown now as opposed to the beginning. Acie and on occassion AJ penetrates and dishes... which breaks down a defense. If we had a PG that can initiate the offense, we would be a much better team.

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I said in our system the point guard's role is to bring the ball past mid court. We don't score anymore tthan we normally do when the point guard penetrate because kicking it to Smith on the peremeter does not make us more efficient!

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IF this were to lead to Horf playing PF then it's true. Regardless of how good Marvin can shoot the safe shot... Smoove has the ability to play both sides of the court. When he plays going to the basket, he's a nightmare.

Marvin on the other hand, thus far, is only a third or 4th option who has problems creating for himself.

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Take the D_mn blinders off please

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Personnell wise, we really don't have top notch defenders. Stopping Memphis and Minny are no great feats. It's like Superman breaking a wooden pencil. It's something that anybody can do. Our time will come when we can stop other teams. AS we saw in the first quarter, when we get up and down the floor (under control) we are very dangerous. We have the wings to play an uptempo game. As of right now, we don't have a low post scorer who we can hang out hats on. As of right now, we're not one of the best defensive teams in the game. As of right now, we don't run half court plays that well. Therefore, as of right now, uptempo is a better choice for what we have.

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Never said that we couldn't run but we can't win games by being out rebounded or out shot like Phoenix can

[Peoriabird]

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"We are better playing poor defense, not rebounding and turning the ball over"

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There are teams that play poor defense, turn the ball over and not rebound but still win

[Vafan]

Diesel, you are flat wrong about Marvin not being able to create. He had a sweet bucket where he took one dribble forward and then stepped back for a jumper. Also, he is getting fouled alot driving to the basket. If he didn't know how to create, then why are defenders fouling him??

[DJlaysitup]

Wheew...scared me there for a minute. I read the post above and thought - man - AHF's had a stroke or something? Then I realized that it was D's post so I understood the bad grammar.

No offense D - you both have good points.

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IF this were to lead to Horf playing PF then it's true. Regardless of how good Marvin can shoot the safe shot... Smoove has the ability to play both sides of the court. When he plays going to the basket, he's a nightmare. Marvin on the other hand, thus far, is only a third or 4th option who has problems creating for himself.

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You clearly aren't watching games anymore. Marvin still has plenty to improve, but you're acting like he's the same guy he was last season. He's been creating offense all season by putting the ball on the floor, moving without the ball better, passing the ball better and even beginning to get position in the post. He's creating offense by getting to the line by being more proactive within the offense. You don't see it because you don't want to, not becaus eit isn't happening.

Marvin is a 2nd, 3rd or 4th option depending on who else is playing well. The thing is that Marvin's had a 1st quarter of a season when he RARELY isn't one of those top options. in his first two season he disappeared too much. now he's mister dependable, even more so in many games than Joe and Smith. They're better than Marvin and have been "great" at times, but Marvin's been "good" more consistently.

That's lightyears beyond the player he was a year ago. It's not enough to make him an all star or make up for the decision to draft him at #2, but it's been enough to vastly improve our team's ability to win games. We are a better team because he is a better player. He's picked up the slack when the main options are off. He's kept us in games we'd lose in the past. He's a steadying influence and he's showing a much stronger willingness to take a leadership position with the team.

If you want to ignore it forever while most of us enjoy the growth of this young player, that's your loss.

I know you only like stats when they fit your argument, but here are a couple of numbers that in the past Marvin's weaknesses have really shonw. But now they show his improvement.

#1 on the team in +- and in win %.

http://www.82games.com/0708/0708ATL1.HTM

Only .04 behind JJ in PER so far on the season for #3 on the team. Right now, at 16.16 (nice showing by Al at 16.17 too). For a "one trick pony" like Marvin (sarcasm), he sure is improving his all around game.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Effic...Exp=-1&splitDD=

But what isn't showing up in the boxscore is what has me most excited about his season. He's become a dedicated and disruptive defender night in and night out. Sure, he's been beat off the dribble here and there, pushed out of positin in the post now and then, and he's missed some assignments, but for a large majority of his minutes on the floor he's been making a very strong impact on the defensive end of the floor.

Some day I hope you'll be able to enjoy what's been obvious to most Hawks fans all season long. It'll only get better as time goes on.

[Gray Mule]

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How do we line up with this "NEW" center we are getting?

He's not coming cheap, you know. Who left the team

to bring him here?

________________ New Center

Al Horford ----- Now our PF.

________________ Small Foreward

Joe Johnson ---- Shooting guard

Acie Law IV ---- Point guard

With the "new" center, have we traded, among others,

Josh Smith and made Marvin Williams the starting SF?

Or, traded MW and kept JS?

Did we have to "throw in" Josh Childres along with one

of the above - Or was it Shelden? Would they take Zaza?

Remember, this great new center won't come cheap.

He will cost us at least 2 players, not from the

end of the bench, but one starter and one from the usual

rotation off the bench.

We ain't getting a great player for junk. He's going

to cost - - A lot!!

A lot will depend what our trading partner needs. They

must want what we have to offer to make it work.

Now, who is he and what does he cost?? Remember, we

don't have a draft selection to trade. Our next one

is already the property of someone else.

Which players and how many will we loose??

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QUESTION

How do we line up with this "NEW" center we are getting?

He's not coming cheap, you know. Who left the team

to bring him here?

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My question still is who? Other than Howard, who could he be talking about that would be a significant up grade over Horford?