3 deals I would love to see us make

[Admin]

Based on recent rumors of players being available and recent discussions here about those players, here are 3 deals that I think could help us out big time.

Deal #1

Atlanta trades: Zaza, Shelden, and Lue

New York trades: Curry and Mardy Collins

Deal #2

Atlanta trades: Childress and AJ

Chicago trades: Gordon and Adreian Griffin

Deal #3

Atlanta trades: Speedy and Salim

Charlotte trades: Carroll, Othella Harrington, and Jermareo Davidson

The Hawks new lineup:

Gordon/Acie/Mario

JJ/Carroll/Collins

Smoove/Marvin/Griffin

Horford/Harrington/Davidson

Curry/Lo/Solo

Thoughts?

[MikeWilksBooth]

#1- ZaZa, Speedy, Lue, AJ, Salim, Shelden, Lorenzen to NJ for anybody

#2- Repeat said deal 24 times to other teams

[AHF]

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Deal #1

Atlanta trades: Zaza, Shelden, and Lue

New York trades: Curry and Mardy Collins

Deal #2

Atlanta trades: Childress and AJ

Chicago trades: Gordon and

Adreian

Griffin

Deal #3

Atlanta trades: Speedy and Salim

Charlotte trades: Carroll, Othella Harrington, and Jermareo Davidson

Thoughts?

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Deal 2 is a winner for me

Deal 1 is questionable. I like the idea of adding a cheap big but am having trouble getting over the idea that the offense has been worse with him in the game than with him out of the game for every team, every season of his career. How does that happen for an offensive specialist?

Deal 3 looks unrealistic to me but if we can unload Speedy, I am all for it.

[mrhonline]

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I like the idea of adding a cheap big

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Too bad Curry's is NOT a cheap big.

[Traceman]

The first two are no-brainers (though I think it may take more to get Curry).

As for the Carroll proposal, I would just have to be sure that the ASG would be willing to pay Marvin (assuming he deserves it of course) in a couple of years when it is time to redo his deal. You know Horford (and hopefully Acie) has to get paid the following year as well. If they are, I'm in. WAY in.

[Admin]

If he can average 16/6 for us next to Smoove and Horford at 9 million per and be a consistent weapon in the low post then while I wouldn't call that cheap, I would certainly argue that finding another player in the league to do that for us for less would be extremely difficult. Trace made a great point of how perfectly Curry would fit with the Hawks and I'm not sure you can totally blame Curry for the failures in New York and Chicago because he hasn't played with defensive/rebounding machines like Smoove and Horford at any point.

[Admin]

The question with deal 3 is whether or not Charlotte is actually looking to get out from under Carroll's contract or if we were trying to acquire him from them. If they are looking to get out from under his contract then I think it's completely reasonable to have them take back Speedy.

[Admin]

I would say that every deal we make has to be contingent on the ASG doing everything it takes within reason to re-sign our core players, if they are performing and at this point I would say every single one of them deserve to be re-signed.

[DJ_Money]

#1. Eh...my opinion on Curry hasn't really changed. He's a waste.

#2. I like the deal. I'd rather send them Lue, keep AJ as our PG, and have Gordon coming off the bench. I don't think we would improve anything with him as our starting PG.

#3. Good, but I don't think Charlotte would go for it.

[AHF]

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I like the idea of adding a cheap big

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Too bad Curry's is NOT a cheap big.

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True - no big worth anything is cheap.

I guess that would be better phrased, "I like the idea of adding a big without us moving a core player."

[Admin]

Why do you think Curry is a waste? He is certainly a flawed player but 1 of the 2 major weaknesses this team has is inside scoring and there probably isn't a better C in the league at scoring on the block than Curry. He has not had the benefit of playing with good, much less great defenders around him at the 3-4 like he would with Al and Smoove either.

The deals are all meant to be done together so Lue would be gone in the Knicks deal, otherwise yeah I would love to keep AJ. Gordon would make us a lot better because although he isn't an ideal PG he would provide a big scoring boost and an additional outside shooting threat. Plus moving both AJ and Lue guarantees that we get significantly better minutes for Acie and even Mario to a lesser degree.

They might not go for it, but it's not like we are raping them either since we are taking a LONG contract off of their hands. Remember how we all wanted Hendu to be traded every year but couldn't because of the length of his deal? I think the same could hold true with Carroll.

[mrhonline]

Defensive rebounding is as much a priority, if not more, than inside scoring. Curry's defensive liabilities would be of MAJOR concern, and would keep him from playing major minutes on any respectable team.

Perimeter shooting and adding a starting-caliber PG are much more immediate priorities.

Curry IS a waste.

[DrReality]

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#1. Eh...my opinion on Curry hasn't really changed. He's a waste.

#2. I like the deal. I'd rather send them Lue, keep AJ as our PG, and have Gordon coming off the bench. I don't think we would improve anything with him as our starting PG.

#3. Good, but I don't think Charlotte would go for it.

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Agree completely with DJ.

[SmooveTheFuture]

Who is going to want our crap players I dont see any team wanting these bums unless there expiring contracts.

[coachx]

I like the Gordon deal the most. Even though he is by no means a PG he is a heck of a shooter and perimeter scorer and would have a immediate and significant impact. JJ could rest more and we could spread the floor at times offensively with Gordon at SG and JJ at SF. When we need to be big for defense we just throw JJ back at SG.

I would like the Curry deal more if we had a coach who could better evaluate matchups & player rotations. If we can get Curry for trading spare parts (AJ Jor Lue, ZaZa, Shelden) it would be hard to turn down.

The Carroll deal is a no brainer since we are last in the NBA in 3 point shooting.

[Admin]

I don't disagree that both of those are priorities but I believe that Curry is at the least equal to what Marvin provides in the way of rebounding which would be what would happen if Curry were to start alongside of Horford and Smoove. Our rebounding and scoring would actually get better because Marvin would move to the bench and provide a lift to scoring and rebounding for the 2nd unit.

As I said above though in order to do 1 of those deals you have to do all 3 of them otherwise there will still be holes.

[Johnnybravo4]

I don't see why folks are more high on a Gordon deal than a curry deal. If Gordon was a pg he'd be doing that for Chi right now. He is what he is, a bench scorer. He is a more consistent Salim. He would help us but we need a scoring big more. Lue, Salim and Joe Johnson are capable shooters when they are open. The problem is that we have no inside presence that forces the defense to leave our shooters open. This is why JJ has been so bad late in games. He has to work harder than any player in the league in getting his shot off. He needs a scoring big inside.

[jerrywest]

Gordon said all kinds of things last year when JJ was picked for the all star game. Do you think the our players forgot those?

[mudderfudder77]

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Based on recent rumors of players being available and recent discussions here about those players, here are 3 deals that I think could help us out big time.

Deal #1

Atlanta trades: Zaza, Shelden, and Lue

New York trades: Curry and Mardy Collins

Deal #2

Atlanta trades: Childress and AJ

Chicago trades: Gordon and

Adreian

Griffin

Deal #3

Atlanta trades: Speedy and Salim

Charlotte trades: Carroll, Othella Harrington, and Jermareo Davidson

The Hawks new lineup:

Gordon/Acie/Mario

JJ/Carroll/Collins

Smoove/Marvin/Griffin

Horford/Harrington/Davidson

Curry/Lo/Solo

Thoughts?

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As I just wrote in another thread - as a Chicago fan I would do the Gordon/Childress trade in a nano-second.

Good trade for both teams - but is Atlanta willing to pony up the dollars to keep Gordon? He already turned down 5/50million, how much does he think he is worth.

[Admin]

This is the first I have heard about that. What did he say??