Best part of Bibby trade: The development of Acie

[jhay610]

Not to take anything away from Bibby's game, because he is en pointe, but the best thing about this trade for the long term future of these hawks may very well be the fact that Acie gets meaningful minutes now.

Woody just does not know how to develop draft picks whatsoever, and this trade forces him to do that with Acie. If we had kept Lue and AJ then Law would have continued to be marooned at the end of the bench, a waste of his ample ability and another first round bust.

Now we get to see what the kid can do in some extended minutes. Anyone who ever played knows its tough sitting the bench for 10 minutes, playing 2, and then sitting the rest of the game. It takes at least 3 minutes CONSECUTIVELY to get loose and in the flow of the game, and probably 5 min to get anything done.

Further, when u have a coach u know doesn't believe in you, a lot of times u start to doubt your own abilities. When u know u will get yanked after your first mistake you start playing safe, not taking any chances and in turn not affecting the game. To the untrained eye this looks like the player is playing "scared," which in essence he is, not because of the players, but because of his coach. Basketball has more to do with confidence than it does ability, esp. at the NBA level (if you made the league, you can play).

Woody kills me in his handling of young players. He sticks with vets like Lue and AJ (and Zaza over Horf earlier in the year), who have consistently gone out and helped us be the laughingstock of the league year after year. If you want to win 25 games a year, then keep running those guys out there. If you want to get better, try something else! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

BK hasn't done a whole hell of a lot right over the years, but at least he took the keys out of Woody's car and put him where he needs to be, on a bike with brand new training wheels. A monkey could manage this team now. Let's see how Woody does.

[ATLSmith]

I was impressed with Acie's play last night. He showed us that he can score and play descent defense. In fact, I'm pretty impressed with his 3 steals. That's just 1 less than the rest of the team combined. It was great watching him cut to the basket, sometimes through 3 defenders.

I think that Acie needs some time to learn how to distribute the ball better. Bibby showed us last night how good he is at this, and as you said, Acie can learn alot from him. Bibby would have a few more assists had the rest of the Hawks made their shots during the first quarter.

[Packfill]

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Not to take anything away from Bibby's game, because he is en pointe, but the best thing about this trade for the long term future of these hawks may very well be the fact that Acie gets meaningful minutes now.

Woody just does not know how to develop draft picks whatsoever, and this trade forces him to do that with Acie. If we had kept Lue and AJ then Law would have continued to be marooned at the end of the bench, a waste of his ample ability and another first round bust.

Now we get to see what the kid can do in some extended minutes. Anyone who ever played knows its tough sitting the bench for 10 minutes, playing 2, and then sitting the rest of the game. It takes at least 3 minutes CONSECUTIVELY to get loose and in the flow of the game, and probably 5 min to get anything done.

Further, when u have a coach u know doesn't believe in you, a lot of times u start to doubt your own abilities. When u know u will get yanked after your first mistake you start playing safe, not taking any chances and in turn not affecting the game. To the untrained eye this looks like the player is playing "scared," which in essence he is, not because of the players, but because of his coach. Basketball has more to do with confidence than it does ability, esp. at the NBA level (if you made the league, you can play).

Woody kills me in his handling of young players. He sticks with vets like Lue and AJ (and Zaza over Horf earlier in the year), who have consistently gone out and helped us be the laughingstock of the league year after year. If you want to win 25 games a year, then keep running those guys out there. If you want to get better, try something else! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

BK hasn't done a whole hell of a lot right over the years, but at least he took the keys out of Woody's car and put him where he needs to be, on a bike with brand new training wheels. A monkey could manage this team now. Let's see how Woody does.

If Bibby was brought in to be the starter and play 35 minutes a night then doesn't that mean that Law's minutes would actually go down, as there would only be 13 minutes available for him to play?

[frosgrim]

But with the loss of Lue, Acie should see more time at the 2 guard to give JJ some rest and to have another shooter in the game at times. Well, at least, that should work in theory, but we are talking about Woody, so who knows how Acie will actually be used.

[JackB1]

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Not to take anything away from Bibby's game, because he is en pointe, but the best thing about this trade for the long term future of these hawks may very well be the fact that Acie gets meaningful minutes now.

Woody just does not know how to develop draft picks whatsoever, and this trade forces him to do that with Acie. If we had kept Lue and AJ then Law would have continued to be marooned at the end of the bench, a waste of his ample ability and another first round bust.

Now we get to see what the kid can do in some extended minutes. Anyone who ever played knows its tough sitting the bench for 10 minutes, playing 2, and then sitting the rest of the game. It takes at least 3 minutes CONSECUTIVELY to get loose and in the flow of the game, and probably 5 min to get anything done.

Further, when u have a coach u know doesn't believe in you, a lot of times u start to doubt your own abilities. When u know u will get yanked after your first mistake you start playing safe, not taking any chances and in turn not affecting the game. To the untrained eye this looks like the player is playing "scared," which in essence he is, not because of the players, but because of his coach. Basketball has more to do with confidence than it does ability, esp. at the NBA level (if you made the league, you can play).

Woody kills me in his handling of young players. He sticks with vets like Lue and AJ (and Zaza over Horf earlier in the year), who have consistently gone out and helped us be the laughingstock of the league year after year. If you want to win 25 games a year, then keep running those guys out there. If you want to get better, try something else! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

BK hasn't done a whole hell of a lot right over the years, but at least he took the keys out of Woody's car and put him where he needs to be, on a bike with brand new training wheels. A monkey could manage this team now. Let's see how Woody does.

couldn't agree more. well said.

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But with the loss of Lue, Acie should see more time at the 2 guard to give JJ some rest and to have another shooter in the game at times. Well, at least, that should work in theory, but we are talking about Woody, so who knows how Acie will actually be used.

So you are saying Childress will see fewer minutes as a result of the trade?

[oken]

Chill usually comes in for Marvin (the first sub usually)

[frosgrim]

Not at all. Law should see minutes at the off-guard while JJ and Marvin are on the bench. JJ especially needs more rest in the game.

Bibby

Law

Childress

Smith

Horford

is a workable lineup against some teams, like the Bucks who have a small 2 guard. The above lineup also lets the Hawks really run for short spurts (2-3 minutes of Nolan Richardson type ball).

When we face teams with larger 2s, then Childress and Richardson should see most of thier time at the 2. Woody should put guys in that match-up with the other team.

My point is that Law now has more oportunity with the trade of Lue to be the guy off the bench that gives the team some shooting as well as ball handling.

[Plainview1981]

You can't fault Bibby and you can't expect him to come in here and change a losing culture. It's not his fault and not going to be his fault regardless of what happens for the rest of the season or next year.