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Go find some mock drafts from that time where Paul was expected to be the 2nd pick. You might find a few, but the vast majority had Bogut and Marvin as the consensus top two choices and Marvin was almost unanimously predicted to be the best player in 3-5 years. You weren't a member here at the time but I can assure you that people were all over the board about who they wanted but there was certainly not a large percentage of people calling for Paul over Marvin and not even over Deron. Deron was definitely the favorite PG of the Squawk and it was a toss up between Paul and Felton here.

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huh? if the consensus was that MW was the 2nd best choice (after Bogut), how can it be that he's "closer to being what was expected" than Paul?

It means that Paul is significantly better than what most expected of him. Marvin is not as good as was expected but surely not as far below expectations as Paul is above expectations.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter that Marvin Williams was a cosensus top 2 pick, and as a 13-win team we clearly had no player that had emerged as a star to base our draft on "need" over BPA considering with such a porous performance we could argue we "needed" everything.

It doesn't matter that Marvin Williams was the cosensus guy who had the superstar potential.

It doesn't matter because when people have an agenda, they have an agenda. And unless we win a championship, the dead horse will forever be beaten. Even if we do win one, I honestly can't say it would cease.

Some people just live to complain and relish and embellish in the past

Agenda... If you don't realize how stupid that pick was.. then you have an agenda. Just man up and say... we f---- up. It's the GM's responsibility to look beyond what the pundits say and determine the truth about a player. The pundits were wrong about Smith and we acknowledge BK for choosing him anyway. Well, with the pundits being wrong about Marvin, you make it sound like there should be no acknowledgment that we ------ up there... come on BB... stop acting like a woman here.

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At 15/6/2 this year, I am not complaining. Would CP be better? Yes. But we didn't draft a stiff or bust.

Uhm... Hello, we were getting 18/8/3 from Al Harrington.

Tell me, where's this satisfaction coming from??

You're satisfied because that's all you have right?

I mean, we spent the highest pick in the history of the Hawks on 15/6/2?

Horford in his first year is making a much bigger impact than Marvin.

But hey... we won 38 games... Marvin didn't really get any better of the past 3 years... So we're satisfied?!?!

Hmm?

Al Harrington's numbers were about as meaningful as Zach Randolph. THe offense sputtered when it went through him and he showed no interest in playing defense whatsoever.

Marvin has increased his PPG per 36 minutes over his three years just one point less than Garnett and McGrady in their first 3 years.

Last year was only his 2nd year as a starter.

But facts don't matter when someone has an agenda unfortunately.

You know it would be one thing if Marvin didn't increase his PPG/RPG/overall effeciency etc.

It would be one thing if he didn't show flashes of greatness with nearly a 1/4 of his games with 19+ points.

It would understandable if his numbers were stagnant or even declined. But the kid has improved yet people are still acting as if he has peaked and is a bust of epic proportions

IN reality, he's the youngest player on the team and until he stops improving, I'd hold the declarations of bust/career underachiever lol see Duff Man this is the guy that u should be saying that to.

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Agenda... If you don't realize how stupid that trade is... then you have an agenda. Just man up and say... we f---- up. It's the GM's responsibility to look beyond what the pundits say and determine the truth about a player. The pundits was wrong about Smith and we acknowledge BK for choosing him anyway. Well, with the pundits being wrong about Marvin, you make it sound like there should be no acknowledgement that we ------ up there... come on BB... stop acting like a woman here.

Stop having selective amnesia.

It wasn't just media pundits, just about every scout said that Marvin Williams had the most star potential.

Clearly neither Josh Smith or Childress had emerged at that point to justify passing on a player that had the most star potential because he played the same position.

And even if that wasn't the case, the fact that people are stuck in the past is the REAL loser mentality.

LOSERS wallow in their own self-pity and have the woe is me attitude.

People with character LEARN from failures, they don't drown in them, they try to overcome them.

ANd despite that draft day blunder/hindsight, we have recovered.

How? Well with recent fortune in the lottery, we have now constructed arguably the 2nd most talented young team in the league behind the Blazers.

We are the youngest team in the post-season and unquestionably one of the youngest teams in NBA history (if not the youngest)

Will either one of our core players be as good as Chris Paul? Maybe not. But they don't have to be for us to win an NBA-title. With guys like Joe Johnon, Josh Smith, and Al HOrford who can all rank in the top 10 in the league at their respective positions, with contributions from Marvin and Acie Law down the road, this is a championship caliber core.

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Marvin has increased his PPG per 36 minutes over his three years just one point less than Garnett and McGrady in their first 3 years.

lol, Garnett and McGrady.

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It would be one thing if he didn't show flashes of greatness with nearly a 1/4 of his games

He doesn't.

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none of that has anything to do with Marvin sucking now.Marvin could have very well been a good player with those guys but he decided to be a goofy dude with no real game to go to.

So Marvin sucks and his game has peaked?

Ok. That's always good to know no he has not peaked and will get better but he'll never be a superstar,he doesn't have the tools.He's not even a natural,fluid basketball player let alone a good one.

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Unless Marvin becomes an All-star, I dont think the Hawks should live it down. Passing on a future all-nba for a decent small forward on a team with three decent small forwards is folly. How many other small forwards in the nba do you think could average 15 points a game playing Marvin's minutes, and getting as many wide-open looks as he does? Plenty. How many pg's can do what Paul does? None.

We would be a 50-win team with Paul, JJ, and Smith. We wouldnt have reached on Shelden, either.

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Unless Marvin becomes an All-star, I dont think the Hawks should live it down. Passing on a future all-nba for a decent small forward on a team with three decent small forwards is folly. How many other small forwards in the nba do you think could average 15 points a game playing Marvin's minutes, and getting as many wide-open looks as he does? Plenty. How many pg's can do what Paul does? None.

We would be a 50-win team with Paul, JJ, and Smith. We wouldnt have reached on Shelden, either.

Marvin will never be an all-star.He's not even a good basketball player.U don't develop being a good basketball player.He just doesn't have IT.

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Ok. That's always good to know

no he has not peaked and will get better but he'll never be a superstar,he doesn't have the tools.He's not even a natural,fluid basketball player let alone a good one.

Ok so why do you detract from the point I made that if Horford, Smoove, and JJ are all top 10 at their respective positions (which is not even close to unrealstic given their age and talet), that we don't NEED Marvin to be a superstar or even an all-star for us to be a Championship contender?

IGnoring that and wallowing in the past is a loser mentality

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Who cares about what could of been. There is nothing we can do to change that now.

Wrong. We still employ the GM who drafted him and 2 other consecutive 3rd worst of 3 potential prospects in each draft. WE can fire the bum.

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Who cares about what could of been. There is nothing we can do to change that now.

Wrong. We still employ the GM who drafted him and 2 other consecutive 3rd worst of 3 potential prospects in each draft. WE can fire the bum.

W

Good point.

Now that I'll cosign on.

Yep, it's revisionist history once again to bring up MW over CP3. Just like it was revisionist's history when Nique was traded for a guy who wanted nothing to do with the team, Koncak was drafted ahead of (insert Hall of Famer here), Bob Weiss, Lon Kruger, and Alan Henderson/Chris Crawford's contract extensions.

When you haven't had a winning record since dial-up internet was hot, folks look back on the reasons WHY. Spending a 2nd overall pick on a SF with numbers any guy worth his salt could get with his minutes and open looks (after spending THREE picks the previous year on swingmen and still having Diaw and Harrington on the roster no less) over a PG when the likes of Tyronn Lue and Royal Ivey are left running the show is asinine to the 5th degree. It gets even worse to take when the guy BK passed over all but single-handedly saved pro basketball in NO, is an MVP candidate, and made Jason Kidd look like an old man in his playoff debut. If this was any other team in the league, we'd be laughing our ASSES off at them and their fans for the next 12 years.

If that one pick was done again, we wouldn't have had to see....

Shelden Williams taken at 5 (he would've fell to BK at 16)

Craig Claxton being paid $25 million to show off his Armani suit collection on the bench

MW get stuffed in the lane or get called for (insert infraction here) while driving to the rim

Royal Ivey starting

Tyronn Lue starting

Anthony Johnson starting

$14+ million of cap room being eaten up because we had to go out and get Mike Bibby while the Joshes reach free agency

and most importantly,

26-56, 30-52, and 37-45.

Until MW grows up (oh BTW, he's only a year younger than Paul so let's stop with the 'he's still young' story) and start playing up to his 'potential', or the Hawks win a title, folks will never, EVER forget about MW over CP3/Deron/Felton.

GAME, SET, MATCH.

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Who cares about what could of been. There is nothing we can do to change that now.

Wrong. We still employ the GM who drafted him and 2 other consecutive 3rd worst of 3 potential prospects in each draft. WE can fire the bum.

W

Good point.

Now that I'll cosign on.

Yep, it's revisionist history once again to bring up MW over CP3. Just like it was revisionist's history when Nique was traded for a guy who wanted nothing to do with the team, Koncak was drafted ahead of (insert Hall of Famer here), Bob Weiss, Lon Kruger, and Alan Henderson/Chris Crawford's contract extensions.

When you haven't had a winning record since dial-up internet was hot, folks look back on the reasons WHY. Spending a 2nd overall pick on a SF with numbers any guy worth his salt could get with his minutes and open looks (after spending THREE picks the previous year on swingmen and still having Diaw and Harrington on the roster no less) over a PG when the likes of Tyronn Lue and Royal Ivey are left running the show is asinine to the 5th degree. It gets even worse to take when the guy BK passed over all but single-handedly saved pro basketball in NO, is an MVP candidate, and made Jason Kidd look like an old man in his playoff debut. If this was any other team in the league, we'd be laughing our ASSES off at them and their fans for the next 12 years.

If that one pick was done again, we wouldn't have had to see....

Shelden Williams taken at 5 (he would've fell to BK at 16)

Craig Claxton being paid $25 million to show off his Armani suit collection on the bench

MW get stuffed in the lane or get called for (insert infraction here) while driving to the rim

Royal Ivey starting

Tyronn Lue starting

Anthony Johnson starting

$14+ million of cap room being eaten up because we had to go out and get Mike Bibby while the Joshes reach free agency

and most importantly,

26-56, 30-52, and 37-45.

Until MW grows up (oh BTW, he's only a year younger than Paul so let's stop with the 'he's still young' story) and start playing up to his 'potential', or the Hawks win a title, folks will never, EVER forget about MW over CP3/Deron/Felton.

GAME, SET, MATCH.

Realistically, the reason why this issue remains a subject of converstion so frequently is because Billy Knight is still the GM of this team. Once he gets fired I think it will give alot of people some closure (I know it will help me move).

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