Here's what's missing in Hawks future discussions.

[Diesel]

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Marvin is already better than him and he will be FAR better in a couple of years.

If we had Raja Bell instead of Marvin during the playoffs, we would have beaten the Celtics.

He's a better three point shooter than Marvin (who only shot 10 3 pointers all season).

He's a better defender than Marvin (Bell = 2nd team all defensive).

Mike Bibby was the reason we lost to the Celtics not Marvin.

There are several reasons we lost to the Celtics... 2 big ones however was on ball defense in Boston and offense. JJ had no body to throw it to... Raja would have helped in both areas. I didn't say that Marvin lost the games to the Celtics. I said with Raja, we would have won them.

It would be too hard for anyteam to constantly guard Bell, JJ, and Bibs from outside while trying to contain Horf.

[Traceman]

You need to put the pipe down. BOS DESTROYED us in every game in Boston and the presence of Raja Bell would have made no difference whatsoever. Bibby was not even a factor in Boston and the presence of Raja Bell would not have helped at all. Rondo dominated him on both ends and Raja sitting behind the 3 point line waiting on Bibby to drive and kick to him would have been a waste of time. Raja can't create his own shot so what was he going to do?

On D, Marvin (and JJ) did a GREAT job on Pierce. Pierce was held to his lowest ppg of the playoffs against the Hawks. Ray Allen didn't really hurt us either as JJ (and Chillz) did a good job on him as well. It was Rondo. Rondo had his best series of the playoffs BY FAR against us. We held our own against BOS everywhere on the floor except the PG position.