Sixers are about to take us to school

[TheNorthCydeRises]

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All I'm saying is that if your going to spend 13 million a year you should aim higher than Josh Smith.

Like Elton Brand?

One thing is for sure, Smith should not be offered a deal over 5 yrs - 65 million or 6 yrs - 75 million.

Sund should be on the phone with Brand's agent right now . . talking about a possible 4 yr - 65 to 70 million deal, if Philly goes crazy. If Philly wants to pull "a jack move" ( as Ice Cube once said ), and try to take both Chill and Smoove, then let them.

Go get Brand, and make the team even better.

Bibby

JJ

Marvin

Brand

Horford

( tell Marvin that his offensive role is about to increase, giving him even more incentive to improve his overall game )

Law

Zaza

( both will get significant PT, with Law taking the majority of Chill's minutes )

Then play all of those scrubs that most of Hawksquawk whine about them not getting PT.

Solo

West

Richardson

Brand upgrades the starting unit tremendously, and gives us more balance on both ends of the floor. If Smith won't take a 5/65 or a 6/75 deal, let him walk and go HARD after Brand

[foeteen14]

Anyone ever think that maybe Josh Smith likes playing in his home town, and the only way he goes somewhere else is if the hawks totally low ball him or he gets traded.

[Diesel]

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I'm not sure why this is a big deal. They can't afford to offer them simultaneous offer sheets, not with only $11M in cap space. I'm more concerned that once an inflated offer for one is made, that another team will make an inflated offer for the other and Sund/ASG will be forced to choose which one to match (most likely Smith).

From a practical standpoint, having both players visit Philly is not nearly as bad as knowing that one was headed to Philly and the other to Memphis/Clippers (the other teams with cap space). Right?

If you think about it, what's stopping them from taking us to school? What if they signed Chillz to an offer sheet first. Something moderate like 5 yrs at 37 Million. Then if we match, the make a move on Smoove.. Frontloaded 19 Million.

Or what if they do it the other way around.

[AtLaS]

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All I'm saying is that if your going to spend 13 million a year you should aim higher than Josh Smith.

Like Elton Brand?

One thing is for sure, Smith should not be offered a deal over 5 yrs - 65 million or 6 yrs - 75 million.

Sund should be on the phone with Brand's agent right now . . talking about a possible 4 yr - 65 to 70 million deal, if Philly goes crazy. If Philly wants to pull "a jack move" ( as Ice Cube once said ), and try to take both Chill and Smoove, then let them.

Go get Brand, and make the team even better.

Bibby

JJ

Marvin

Brand

Horford

( tell Marvin that his offensive role is about to increase, giving him even more incentive to improve his overall game )

Law

Zaza

( both will get significant PT, with Law taking the majority of Chill's minutes )

Then play all of those scrubs that most of Hawksquawk whine about them not getting PT.

Solo

West

Richardson

Brand upgrades the starting unit tremendously, and gives us more balance on both ends of the floor. If Smith won't take a 5/65 or a 6/75 deal, let him walk and go HARD after Brand

That's not smart at all. It's borderline dumb actually. You don't let a great up and coming 22 year old go assuming you can get another great player to replace him. That's bad GM thinking. We don't land Brand and we find ourselves back in the lottery after we had one of the brightest futures in the NBA. JJ is unhappy and ready to leave if that happens. We would have to COMPLETELY start over if Brand doesn't sign.

How does an extra 1 or 2 million a year for Smith hurt us so much that we can just let him walk?

[Diesel]

EGGZACKLY...

We should have been first with an offer today... 5 year 64 Million or 6 year 73 Million.

At least that way we could have set the terms of how we wanted to resign Smoove. Saying, we're going to let the market decide is foolish if we're not willing to go to whatever lengths we have to to get the deal done.

[Guest]

Even if we let Smoove and Chill walk, we don't have the cap space to sign Brand. We would probably have roughly $7 million under the cap.

[Duff_Man]

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All I'm saying is that if your going to spend 13 million a year you should aim higher than Josh Smith. What are the Hawks going to do without him, lose games? Oh wait....

I would rather spend 13 million on Josh Smith than lose him and have nothing but a 3 million salary slot to replace him. All we have to do is offer a 6 year 66 million dollar salary. Josh Smith doesn't want to live in Philly, no one wants to live in Philly.

I am considering moving to Philly. Philly is great!

Just move on over here to Cherry Hill NJ.......

Yeah...but then i'd be from Jersey. Ewwww.

[foeteen14]

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I'm not sure why this is a big deal. They can't afford to offer them simultaneous offer sheets, not with only $11M in cap space. I'm more concerned that once an inflated offer for one is made, that another team will make an inflated offer for the other and Sund/ASG will be forced to choose which one to match (most likely Smith).

From a practical standpoint, having both players visit Philly is not nearly as bad as knowing that one was headed to Philly and the other to Memphis/Clippers (the other teams with cap space). Right?

If you think about it, what's stopping them from taking us to school? What if they signed Chillz to an offer sheet first. Something moderate like 5 yrs at 37 Million. Then if we match, the make a move on Smoove.. Frontloaded 19 Million.

Or what if they do it the other way around.

All we have to do is match both offers. it's that simple. very very easy.

Look. the wizard have offered arenas 6yrs 127mill. we're talking about 5yrs 100mill for 2 players. arenas is good and all but come on does he deserve to make more than wade, or lebron. no. but that doesn't matter, what matters is doing what you have to do when you have good or great players. you don't play around. when you play around u lose. pay the money and move on. this shouldn't even be an issue. if they don't have the money then they shouldn't own an NBA team. Owning a pro team should be perc more so than a business venture.

forgive me. i just hate it when 100s millionares get picky about 5mill or 10mill here or there.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

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Anyone ever think that maybe Josh Smith likes playing in his home town, and the only way he goes somewhere else is if the hawks totally low ball him or he gets traded.

That's a possibility.

But people make decisions everyday, because of money, especially money you can get in the short-term.

Smith is on the verge of making 8 - 10 million more dollars next season, than he did last season . . if he re-signs with us.

But if Philly frontloads a deal, he could make 14 - 17 million more next season, than he did last season.

People see the millions, and don't think that there is much difference between 11 million and 14 million . . . da hell it ain't!

JJ left a pretty good playoff team, partially because of the 20 million we paid him upfront. Yeah, he may have wanted to be "the man", and maybe wanted to play closer to home. But don't think for one second that possibly seeing his salary increase from 3 to 20 million, didn't play a major role in his decision to come to ATL.

That's like working in some company in ATL making 30,000 a year, and them wanting to promote you to a position that will have you make $120,000 next year. You love ATL, and love the raise you're about to get.

But then a company in Philly says that they'll pay you $200,000 next year to work for them.

If you love ATL, but also like the role and the substantial pay raise you'll have with the company in Philly, which job are you going to choose?

[foeteen14]

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Anyone ever think that maybe Josh Smith likes playing in his home town, and the only way he goes somewhere else is if the hawks totally low ball him or he gets traded.

That's a possibility.

But people make decisions everyday, because of money, especially money you can get in the short-term.

Smith is on the verge of making 8 - 10 million more dollars next season, than he did last season . . if he re-signs with us.

But if Philly frontloads a deal, he could make 14 - 17 million more next season, than he did last season.

People see the millions, and don't think that there is much difference between 11 million and 14 million . . . da hell it ain't!

JJ left a pretty good playoff team, partially because of the 20 million we paid him upfront. Yeah, he may have wanted to be "the man", and maybe wanted to play closer to home. But don't think for one second that possibly seeing his salary increase from 3 to 20 million, didn't play a major role in his decision to come to ATL.

That's like working in some company in ATL making 30,000 a year, and them wanting to promote you to a position that will have you make $120,000 next year. You love ATL, and love the raise you're about to get.

But then a company in Philly says that they'll pay you $200,000 next year to work for them.

If you love ATL, but also like the role and the substantial pay raise you'll have with the company in Philly, which job are you going to choose?

maybe its just me, but in your senario i would stay in the atl. once dollars get to a certain amount, other more personal objectives can come into play. you know, family, friends, nightlife, schools, crime, etc.

[Chris18]

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Anyone ever think that maybe Josh Smith likes playing in his home town, and the only way he goes somewhere else is if the hawks totally low ball him or he gets traded.

He has a tatoo of the words "home team"on both of his hands so I'm confident he will be back.

[foeteen14]

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It's amazing that considering how bad of shape the country is in you have these idiotic GM's throwing 15 million bucks a year a basketball players.

no whats amazing is u trying to destroy a great thread with your b.s. you make threads hard to read because i have skip past anything you say. how about u start your own b.s. thread so nobody has to read that mess but u.

[Plainview1981]

When have the Hawks got 80 FT attempts in a 2 game period? Do alittle more than say: They were aggressive... Most teams are aggressive at home. That doesn't explain 80 FT attempts in 2 games. Just not buying it. They were calling fouls on Boston right and left. Think about it, a team with no real offense gets 80 ft's in 2 games against the best defense in the league?

Doesn't add up. Doesn't add up.

The Hawks were a non-story all year.

The arena wasn't packed all year like it was in the playoffs was it? It was obvious the Hawks were not going to win in Boston. Had the games been closer, calls probably would have went against the Hawks. The Hawks played so badly in the Boston games the refs didn't have to worry about it.

On top of that, it was mainly a lack of toughness on Bostons part in the games in Atlanta. Remember, they didn't win in Cleveland. They won in Detroit and LA, but oddly enough both of them had lackluster crowds. And as we noted, Ray Allen played poorly in the first few rounds and that had alot to do with that.

JJ had one really good game the whole series. Bibby was terrible. The Hawks didn't really play all that well if you really look at it.

[Plainview1981]

ur posts don't really thrill me either. i really sorry that u don't like what i post. don't know what to tell u.

[Chris18]

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When have the Hawks got 80 FT attempts in a 2 game period? Do alittle more than say: They were aggressive... Most teams are aggressive at home. That doesn't explain 80 FT attempts in 2 games. Just not buying it. They were calling fouls on Boston right and left. Think about it, a team with no real offense gets 80 ft's in 2 games against the best defense in the league?

Hotlanta1981 if you will re-watch the games you will see that the games were properly officiated and the Celtics commited enough fouls for us to shoot 80 free throws. After Bibby came we had one of the more potent offenses in the league but we just couldn't stop anyone.

[EazyRoc]

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Anyone ever think that maybe Josh Smith likes playing in his home town, and the only way he goes somewhere else is if the hawks totally low ball him or he gets traded.

That's a possibility.

But people make decisions everyday, because of money, especially money you can get in the short-term.

Smith is on the verge of making 8 - 10 million more dollars next season, than he did last season . . if he re-signs with us.

But if Philly frontloads a deal, he could make 14 - 17 million more next season, than he did last season.

People see the millions, and don't think that there is much difference between 11 million and 14 million . . . da hell it ain't!

JJ left a pretty good playoff team, partially because of the 20 million we paid him upfront. Yeah, he may have wanted to be "the man", and maybe wanted to play closer to home. But don't think for one second that possibly seeing his salary increase from 3 to 20 million, didn't play a major role in his decision to come to ATL.

That's like working in some company in ATL making 30,000 a year, and them wanting to promote you to a position that will have you make $120,000 next year. You love ATL, and love the raise you're about to get.

But then a company in Philly says that they'll pay you $200,000 next year to work for them.

If you love ATL, but also like the role and the substantial pay raise you'll have with the company in Philly, which job are you going to choose?

I'd probably stay in Atlanta myself.

[Plainview1981]

potent offenses

Where was this "potent offense" in Boston? They could barely get the ball over halfcourt.

Go back and look at the boxscores from when the Hawks played good defenses after the Bibby trade. The offense ain't all that.

[Chris18]

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potent offenses

Where was this "potent offense" in Boston? They could barely get the ball over halfcourt.

Go back and look at the boxscores from when the Hawks played good defenses after the Bibby trade. The offense ain't all that.

Our offense completely disappeared in Boston. Our problem wasn't getting the ball over halfcourt it was making shots and not turning the ball over in the halfcourt set.

Boxscores don't tell the whole story of a game. We averaged 107 points after Bibby came but the problem was giving up about the same amount of points on defense.

[Plainview1981]

I know what the Hawks averaged. But they still struggled against good defenses after the trade. However, the Hawks had an extremely soft schedule after the all star break. Against good defenses the Hawks are still going to struggle due to a lack of real offense or a second go to scorer. Josh Smith isn't that guy. His post game is better, but still light years from being

good... His handles are slightly improved, but still below average. His jumper?

Well..........

Hopefully Big Al steps up and becomes the number 2 scorer.

[Chris18]

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However, the Hawks had an extremely soft schedule after the all star break.

We had a very tough schedule to start the season out so it would make sense that we would catch a break at the end of the season.