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[Traceman]

A "jab step" move is when Marvin steps forward with one foot and FAKES like he is going put the ball on the floor but instead, when the defender steps back to defend the drive, Marvin steps back and takes the J. A "first step" is when he actually puts the ball on the floor and goes to the basket. Smoove actually uses the jab step move too. Unfortunately, he just doesn't make nearly as many J's as Marvin does off of it.

As far Marvin not being able to finish around the basket, he made 56% of his dunks and layups while Smoove made 59% of his. He also got to the line on a SIGNIFICANT number of his drives and he made 82% of his FTs. That said, "creating off the dribble" INCLUDES shots taken that don't necessarily involve driving to the hole. An unassisted J where the player creates space to get the shot off counts as creating off the dribble and so does getting fouled and getting to the line.

As for Marv not finishing around the basket being one of his biggest weaknesses, he can certainly use improvement in that area (he needs to get stronger and that will improve his balance) but his ability to finish is NOWHERE NEAR as poor as you (and others) imply that it is. His drives might not always be pretty but he gets a positive result more often than not.

[Traceman]

If players don't respect his ability to drive, why is he able to consistently create enough space to get his J off? Do you know what a jab step is? If they didn't respect his ability to drive, they would just play him to take the J and he would have a VERY difficult time getting his shot off.

[Cwell]

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If players don't respect his ability to drive, why is he able to consistently create enough space to get his J off? Do you know what a jab step is? If they didn't respect his ability to drive, they would just play him to take the J and he would have a VERY difficult time getting his shot off.

um because he's wide open,and he's a 6'8" jump shooter,not very hard to get your shot off,unless u shoot like Childress.

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A "jab step" move is when Marvin steps forward with one foot and FAKES like he is going put the ball on the floor but instead, when the defender steps back to defend the drive, Marvin steps back and takes the J. A "first step" is when he actually puts the ball on the floor and goes to the basket. Smoove actually uses the jab step move too. Unfortunately, he just doesn't make nearly as many J's as Marvin does off of it.

As far Marvin not being able to finish around the basket, he made 56% of his dunks and layups while Smoove made 59% of his. He also got to the line on a SIGNIFICANT number of his drives and he made 82% of his FTs. That said, "creating off the dribble" INCLUDES shots taken that don't necessarily involve driving to the hole. An unassisted J where the player creates space to get the shot off counts as creating off the dribble and so does getting fouled and getting to the line.

As for Marv not finishing around the basket being one of his biggest weaknesses, he can certainly use improvement in that area (he needs to get stronger and that will improve his balance) but his ability to finish is NOWHERE NEAR as poor as you (and others) imply that it is. His drives might not always be pretty but he gets a positive result more often than not.

Umm, yeah that's what I said. Thanks for the Bball lesson as I've played a few games in my time. Marv has a very quick FIRST step. He uses a very decent fake to get it off and once the defender is on his heels he goes by. I can't believe you've never seen him do this.

[Traceman]

I AGREE that Marv has a quick first step. BECAUSE he has a quick first step, players tend to slack off him and give him enough room to get off the J off the jab step. Anyway, my point is that creating off the dribble involves MUCH more than just driving to the hoop and finishing.

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It's like a man who has saved money his whole life to buy a car. He wanted to buy the car with cash because he doesn't want debts. For 5 years, he put away about $8,000 for this car... It's going to be special. For 5 years, he rides the bus thinking about this car. For 5 years, he stop going out to dinner, stop going on vacations because he's going to buy this car. He finally gets $40,000... he goes out and get a brand new fully loaded Dodge Durango. The Durango was on special. The man has a farm and he really needed a truck, but he figures that the Durango will help him do the job. However, he comes to find out that the Durango doesn't have much towing capacity. The Durango gets pretty average to bad mileage. The ride in the Durango isn't that Smooth. The Durango is pretty on the outside but really can't carry everything it can carry. Over those 5 years, he had an old beat up small bed work truck that he was able to get for a good deal... He had been using that to do some of his work, but in order to use his Durango a little more, he gets rid of the work truck. He comes to find out that his Durango doesn't do more work than his small bed truck did. And people say to the man, well you should be happy. You're not walking anymore. You have that nice new Durango. The problem is that now he realizes what he could have gotten with his $40,000 and he knows that he could have done a lot better.

LOL

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The kid is just underappreciated because people want him to justify being taken #2, and be a star right away. It's hard to appreciate his overall consitency as a player, when the expectations are so high for him.

He may not hit 3s, but the constant 21 footers he knocks down gives people like Smith enough room to operate when he drives to the hole. And the opponent knows that if Marvin is left open, that he's probably knocking down the shot.

He also can play the 4, especially when Horford and Smith are in foul trouble. If we don't get another big man in here, he'll have to play some PF again next season. That's something that is overlooked by just about everyone on this board.

I'm not sure what he's consistent at seeing as that you can go back month by month and see his %s fluctuate. He hits almost 41% of his jumpers, that is solid but harldy spectacular, wouldn't say that "he's probably knocking it down" if he's open. He can play the 4 and often does, after the trade he was our de facto backup PF. Unfortunately he is a weak defensive rebounder for a PF and our backup SF is a very weak Drebounder for his position.

I don't think Marv is garbage or anything. Just very average. He isn't a guy we need to trade today but I think we get more value out of him if we can swing him for a guy like Mike Miller now rather than wait until his contract is up, he's still an average player, and he asks for Bogut money.

If we can't swing a trade, sure, keep him around.

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As far Marvin not being able to finish around the basket, he made 56% of his dunks and layups while Smoove made 59% of his.

This is a little misleading...

Marv hits 46.7% of his "close" shots (layups) accounting for 2.3 points.

Marv hits 90.0% of his dunks accounting for 1.8 points

That adds up to 58.2% of his "inside" shots accounting for 4.2 points.

(also 30% on tips for .1 point)

Smith hits 53.7% of his "close" shots for 6 points

Smith hits 97.3% of his dunks for 2.7 points

That adds up to 61.8% on his "inside" shot accounting for 9 points

(also 47.6% on tips for .2 points)

So Marv is closer in total inside shots but thats because a higher ratio of his inside shots are dunks. He is actually a comparatively bad finisher for someone who isn't often facing multiple defenders. I'm not sure why he is such a bad finisher on his dunks, he has long arms, decent hops and big hands. He just needs to throw it down with some authority.