WraithSentinel Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-bl..._spend_reb.html This should be a very exciting offseason for us. I hope the FA class is strong. CC is already at the top of my list. I had some questions about this guy. Ever since seeing him goto the Brewers I no longer have any doubts about this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted July 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 I meant spend. Can someone correct that for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachx Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 (edited) http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-bl..._spend_reb.html This should be a very exciting offseason for us. I hope the FA class is strong. CC is already at the top of my list. I had some questions about this guy. Ever since seeing him goto the Brewers I no longer have any doubts about this guy. I have more doubts then ever about him. Sure he is producing but Miwaulkee is not playing him like he is a long term asset. He has just pitched his 3rd complete game in a row for the Brewers which is good for the short term goals but you would not see the Mets doing that to Santana or the Yankees giving that work load to their young stud (Chamberline) b/c both teams see them as long term investments even though they are in pennant races too. I guess I worry that CC still has something left if the Brewer continue to work him this hard through the remainder of the season and into the playoffs. I just worry that Miwaulkee's over use of CC will catch up to him next year. Its tough to give $100 mill to a pitcher and then he gets hurt his first season to due over use the season before. I hope we spend the money on some horses. I just don't know who. Edited July 31, 2008 by coachx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted July 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 (edited) http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2002/02/2...ree-agents.html There is the list of FA. We need a LF and that is about it when it come to positional players. That is assuming Jordan or Gorky are ready to take over in CF. This is where will likely spend the money. Some of these name might need to be updated. It give us a good idea who is out there. Starting Pitchers Kris Benson PHI A.J. Burnett TOR (may opt out) Paul Byrd CLE Ryan Dempster CHC Jon Garland LAA Tom Glavine ATL Mike Hampton * ATL Rich Harden * CHC Orlando Hernandez NYM Jason Jennings TEX Randy Johnson ARZ John Lackey * LAA Esteban Loaiza CHW Braden Looper STL Derek Lowe LAD Pedro Martinez NYM Mike Mussina NYY Jamie Moyer PHI Mark Mulder * STL Carl Pavano NYY Brad Penny * LAD Odalis Perez WAS Oliver Perez NYM Andy Pettitte NYY Mark Prior SD Horatio Ramirez KC C.C. Sabathia MIL Ben Sheets MIL John Smoltz * ATL Julian Tavarez ATL Steve Trachsel BAL Brett Tomko SD Claudio Vargas MIL Randy Wolf HOU Relief Pitchers Tony Armas Jr. PIT Luis Ayala WAS Joe Beimel LAD Joe Borowski CLE Juan Cruz ARZ Brendan Donnelly BOS Scott Downs TOR Alan Embree * OAK Scott Eyre CHC Kyle Farnsworth NYY Casey Fossum TB Brian Fuentes COL Aaron Fultz CLE Tom Gordon * PHI LaTroy Hawkins NYY Mark Hendrickson LAD Trevor Hoffman SD Bobby Howry CHC Jason Isringhausen STL Steve Kline SF Brandon Lyon ARZ Damaso Marte * PIT Tom Martin COL Julio Mateo PHI Guillermo Mota MIL Will Ohman CHC Hideki Okajima * BOS Darren Oliver LAA John Parrish SEA Chris Reitsma SEA Dennys Reyes MIN Juan Rincon CLE Francisco Rodriguez LAA Brian Shouse MIL Rafael Soriano ATL Jorge Sosa NYM Mike Stanton * CIN Salomon Torres * MIL Derrick Turnbow MIL Oscar Villarreal ATL David Weathers CIN Dan Wheeler TB Dave Williams NYM Matt Wise NYM Jay Witasick TB Edited July 31, 2008 by HawksJJHorford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 I meant spend. Can someone correct that for me? Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBob Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 I have more doubts then ever about him. Sure he is producing but Miwaulkee is not playing him like he is a long term asset. He has just pitched his 3rd complete game in a row for the Brewers which is good for the short term goals but you would not see the Mets doing that to Santana or the Yankees giving that work load to their young stud (Chamberline) b/c both teams see them as long term investments even though they are in pennant races too. I guess I worry that CC still has something left if the Brewer continue to work him this hard through the remainder of the season and into the playoffs. I just worry that Miwaulkee's over use of CC will catch up to him next year. Its tough to give $100 mill to a pitcher and then he gets hurt his first season to due over use the season before. I hope we spend the money on some horses. I just don't know who. Maybe we can poach Sheets instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted July 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Sheets is the 2nd option if we miss out on CC. Any team who goes after him better be extra careful. That guy breaks down all the time. Sure he is a very good pitcher. Do you want to hand out $15 mil per for 20 starts? http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4571 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachx Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Thanks for the list of pitching free agents. Here is the same link but listing OF free agents as well. We definately need a power hitter if our 1st baseman is only going to hit 15 HR / year. The only problem is there are not many OFs younger then 30 who are proven that are availiable. Adam Dunn is there. For all his strike outs he is still a run producing machine and his defense is at least average in LF. Still you hate to count on the league leader on SOs as your clean up hitter. It will definately be an interesting off season to say the least. http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2002/02/2...ree-agents.html Outfielders Bobby Abreu NYY Moises Alou NYM Garret Anderson * LAA Rocco Baldelli TB Willie Bloomquist SEA Emil Brown OAK Pat Burrell PHI Endy Chavez NYM Carl Crawford * TB Adam Dunn CIN Jim Edmonds CHC Cliff Floyd TB Brian Giles * SD Ken Griffey Jr. * CIN Vladimir Guerrero * LAA Raul Ibanez SEA Jacque Jones DET Mark Kotsay ATL Rob Mackowiak WAS Kevin Mench TOR Jason Michaels * CLE Craig Monroe MIN Jay Payton BAL Scott Podsednik COL Manny Ramirez * BOS Juan Rivera LAA Rondell White MIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifelong Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 The Braves need pitching some how some way. We may not have Glavine, Smoltz and Hudson next season. We're in full-fledged rebuilding mode. I think the Braves need to acquire young talent or prospects and plan for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattlanta Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 (edited) I'd love to have either Sabathia or Sheets, but let's get realistic with ourselves. I'm not sure we're the kind of organization that go after the big fish with all our money. I have a feeling we'll go after a couple solid pitchers and end up with two, maybe three, solid pitchers. Derek Lowe is a realistic option, and so is Arroyo and Oliver Perez. Young names just to name a few (30 and under) : Oliver Perez (27) Jon Garland (29) Ben Sheets (30) Mark Prior (27) C.C. Sabathia (28) John Lackey (30) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout Edited July 31, 2008 by Libid21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattlanta Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 The Braves need pitching some how some way. We may not have Glavine, Smoltz and Hudson next season. We're in full-fledged rebuilding mode. I think the Braves need to acquire young talent or prospects and plan for the future. We have plenty of young prospects IMO. Jurrjens, Reyes, Hanson, Campillo if you count him as a prospect, Morton, etc. They just need more time to develop, and we're not just going to throw all of them into the rotation next year which is why we need to bring in some solid pitchers. My guess for the rotation is... Free Agent, Jurrjens, Reyes, Morton, Hanson. If Jair can continue to improve and adjust to ML hitters like he has this year there's no reason as to why we couldn't slot him as an ace in the future. I think Jo-Jo and Charlie have good stuff and could eventually be very strong middle of the rotation guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted August 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Jair look like the real deal but he came from the Tigers. Any Braves pitching prospect that the Braves drafted and develop cannot be counted on. They are overrated to be honest. I just have no trust in the Braves developing pitchers anymore. The one good pitcher they did develop they just gave him away to the Cards. I am speaking of Wainwright here. We gotta make a splash in landing at least two good arms. I think we do have a chance at getting CC. I see Brewers doing a lot to keep Sheets. Give CC the 6-7 year deal he is looking for and near Johan money and he will sign. No player is worth the $100 million deals that are going around. That is the market now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattlanta Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Jair look like the real deal but he came from the Tigers. Any Braves pitching prospect that the Braves drafted and develop cannot be counted on. They are overrated to be honest. I just have no trust in the Braves developing pitchers anymore. The one good pitcher they did develop they just gave him away to the Cards. I am speaking of Wainwright here. We gotta make a splash in landing at least two good arms. I think we do have a chance at getting CC. I see Brewers doing a lot to keep Sheets. Give CC the 6-7 year deal he is looking for and near Johan money and he will sign. No player is worth the $100 million deals that are going around. That is the market now. If what you're saying is true about Brewers doing a lot to keep Sheets, then you can expect Sabathia to be the most highly wanted pitcher in free agency - bar none. Which most likely makes him virtually untouchable seeing that the Yankees will be looking for another star pitcher to add to their rotation after Mussina's contract runs up. They were thinking about trading for C.C. before the trade deadline, and they couldn't get themselves to do it. They're not going to let go of another star pitcher like they did with Johan. Don't think they won't spend any of that money that is freed up seeing that Mussina and Giambi's humongous contract runs up after this season. That's why I said it's more realistic to think Derek Lowe, Bronson Arroyo, Oliver Perez, etc. They're not exactly ace quality- but they are pretty solid pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBob Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 I'd love to have either Sabathia or Sheets, but let's get realistic with ourselves. I'm not sure we're the kind of organization that go after the big fish with all our money. Yeah, but with nearly 50$ mill to spends and no ace (Huddy will miss at least half the season), we're def in the market to overpay a big-time pitcher. And then overpay another middle rotation guy. Unfortunately, while we need a LF, the list of potentially available OFs doesn't excite me. Pitching baby. Spend that $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosgrim Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 The FA class this year is pretty awful. There just aren't any big thumpers to pick up. I agree that pitching is probably where the Braves can make the biggest investment: I would love to see Sabathia and/or Sheets. However, the Yankees, Mets, and Phillies will all be bidding on those guys as well. Even if the Braves sign either CC or Ben, IMO, they need to sign another guy as well. Maybe Garland, Wolf or Lowe. The Braves have to add some power as well. There are some interesting options: Jeff Kent- move KJ back to LF or trade him for a AAA power hitter. Drawback- not the greatest clubhouse guy and contract will be very big Furcal- I know he's not a power guy, but if the Braves can't find power, getting a legit leadoff hitter is the second option. Yunel can move to 2nd and KJ as above. Hank Blalock- a legit power guy, but plays 3rd and is always hurt. Contract might be reasonable considering his health issues. If signed may have to play LF, but if Manny can play left, anyone can play left. Adam Dunn as someone mentioned might be a viable piece. He's really a #5 hitter, but beggers can't be choosers. The funny thing is that the Braves have to spend money. Part of the deal that Liberty Media signed to buy the club was that they couldn't reduce payroll. While I am all for keeping the Braves competative, the 09 season is one of those seasons where I wouldn't be upset with the team just stepping back and acquiring young talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted August 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) I don't see the Mets being in discussion for CC. They are likely to go after Tex. Phillies are a toss up. Yanks will obviously be in discussion. Perhaps we hold the wildcard in this whole thing. One the Braves play in the NL and two CC would get to hit. I heard he loves to hit. Yeah it is not much of a wildcard. Something to consider. Here is something else to consider. Should the Braves make a play for K-Rod? He will likely be $12-$15 mil per for 4-5 years. I know we got Mike and Rafael. Can we trust them long term? Rafael contract is up after next year and I believe Mike contract is to. If the Braves are going to spend the money. Might as well go after the top pitchers. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5357 Edited August 1, 2008 by HawksJJHorford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 The only way that the Yankees go after Sheets or CC is if they don't bring back Pettite or Mussina. Both of them make quite a bit of money and if either are re-signed I doubt that the Yankees will invest big money in FA pitcher. I think that they will go hard after Tex to replace Giambi and if they get Tex that will be the only big signing of the offseason. If the Yankees do go after a pitcher though I expect it to be Sheets since he has about 200 fewer innings of work than CC does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattlanta Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 The FA class this year is pretty awful. There just aren't any big thumpers to pick up. I agree that pitching is probably where the Braves can make the biggest investment: I would love to see Sabathia and/or Sheets. However, the Yankees, Mets, and Phillies will all be bidding on those guys as well. Even if the Braves sign either CC or Ben, IMO, they need to sign another guy as well. Maybe Garland, Wolf or Lowe. The Braves have to add some power as well. There are some interesting options: Jeff Kent- move KJ back to LF or trade him for a AAA power hitter. Drawback- not the greatest clubhouse guy and contract will be very big Furcal- I know he's not a power guy, but if the Braves can't find power, getting a legit leadoff hitter is the second option. Yunel can move to 2nd and KJ as above. Hank Blalock- a legit power guy, but plays 3rd and is always hurt. Contract might be reasonable considering his health issues. If signed may have to play LF, but if Manny can play left, anyone can play left. Adam Dunn as someone mentioned might be a viable piece. He's really a #5 hitter, but beggers can't be choosers. The funny thing is that the Braves have to spend money. Part of the deal that Liberty Media signed to buy the club was that they couldn't reduce payroll. While I am all for keeping the Braves competative, the 09 season is one of those seasons where I wouldn't be upset with the team just stepping back and acquiring young talent. We're not goign to be spending any more money in short stop. We already have Lillibridge in the minor leagues which the Braves know deserves to be playing in the majors. He's got a lot of potential. I'd actually rather have Yunel traded and him to stay in the majors, but that's just me factoring in the fact that he's much younger than Yunel. And I believe Yunel's already reached his peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDirty Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 We're not goign to be spending any more money in short stop. We already have Lillibridge in the minor leagues which the Braves know deserves to be playing in the majors. He's got a lot of potential. I'd actually rather have Yunel traded and him to stay in the majors, but that's just me factoring in the fact that he's much younger than Yunel. And I believe Yunel's already reached his peak. Escobar is only one year older than Lillibridge, are you sure that you're not mixing him up with another player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakin Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Yunel and Lilli have both peaked. They are what they are. Yunel is better defensively and a better hitter overall. Lilli has more speed. Neither is going to set the world on fire, but I'll take Yunel. Hopefull Lilli has some trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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