Hawks' performance vs. Jazz/Blazers/Dallas may answer questions...

[Peoriabird]

If Marvin starts the game on the bench who is going to start the game guarding guys like Lebron and Pierce? Mo gets mauled by those guys and we don't want JJ in early foul trouble.

The Hawks have been fortunate not to face any high scoring 3s lately.

Plus JJ averages 40 out of 48 minutes per game. So unless Marvin plays only 8 minutes per game, they will spend the majority of the game playing together. So what difference does it make whether its in the beginning or in the middle of the game?

[exodus]

Plus JJ averages 40 out of 48 minutes per game. So unless Marvin plays only 8 minutes per game, they will spend the majority of the game playing together. So what difference does it make whether its in the beginning or in the middle of the game?

Good point. Maybe Diesel wants Marvin playing the 2 when they are on the floor together so JJ can play the 3 more.

[Peoriabird]

Good point. Maybe Diesel wants Marvin playing the 2 when they are on the floor together so JJ can play the 3 more.

But when Mo starts, Mo plays the 3 also and JJ starts at the 2! So I've never understood Diesel's argument that JJ scores more efficiently from the 3 position based on the fact that JJ scores more points when Mo is starting instead of Marvin!

[AHF]

If Marvin starts the game on the bench who is going to start the game guarding guys like Lebron and Pierce? Mo gets mauled by those guys and we don't want JJ in early foul trouble.

The Hawks have been fortunate not to face any high scoring 3s lately.

I think Marvin should be starting when he returns. I am just saying that if you are going to take your better defender and rebounder out of the lineup you had better have a good plan in place to take advantage of the lineup change.

The game against Lebron recently was probably the best example of your point. Lebron scored very little in a good amount of time against Marvin and scored a lot more in less time against the other Hawks.

[Diesel]

Good point. Maybe Diesel wants Marvin playing the 2 when they are on the floor together so JJ can play the 3 more.

Fortunately for us....

Saturday March 21, we get to play Cleveland.

On the 27th, we face Boston

On the 29th, we play LAL..

We get an opportunity to see just how things will go first hand on those dates.

Fortunately for us....

Saturday March 21, we get to play Cleveland.

On the 27th, we face Boston

On the 29th, we play LAL..

We get an opportunity to see just how things will go first hand on those dates.

BY the way, I'm pulling for the Hawks... How about you?

[HAWKS1986]

Marvin shouldn't rush back...he should take his time in his rehabilitation...

Hawks' performance on this homestand has really strengthen the theory that the Hawks are able to sustain consistent play and able to put teams away down the stretch when Marvin isn't in the lineup...

The Hawks hadn't beaten Portland since 2002, the Hawks were 3-15 this decade vs. the Jazz, and New Orleans and Detroit are two teams who had given the Hawks trouble... yet the Hawks look like a totally different team the last week to 10 days...

[exodus]

Marvin shouldn't rush back...he should take his time in his rehabilitation...

Hawks' performance on this homestand has really strengthen the theory that the Hawks are able to sustain consistent play and able to put teams away down the stretch when they are at home...

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So do you think Marvin's absence is the reason the Hawks had only 5 turnovers on the game? is Marvin's absence the reason Portland was 2-13 from 3?

[Duff_Man]

Scratch two of those teams off the list. We beat the Kings, and I will take a loss to the Mavs, although I think we're better.

[HAWKS1986]

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So do you think Marvin's absence is the reason the Hawks had only 5 turnovers on the game? is Marvin's absence the reason Portland was 2-13 from 3?

Exodus,

Please, let's be objective here... the Hawks in the Woodson era haven't won a lot of home games until recently.... The Hawks had a tough time beating above .550/.600 teams at HOME AND ON THE ROAD...

Last year, the team won 37 games and the team was 25-16 at home, but had a difficult time beating strong teams at HOME (i.e. San Antonio, Lakers, Dallas, Portland and even mediocre, but emerging Philly was a challenge...)

Marvin's indecisiveness as a three-point shooter and inability to finish at the rim in traffic is a recurring problem, and especially a problem against good teams at home and especially on the road...

[HAWKS1986]

The team seems so much happier and focused with Marvin's absence...

[exodus]

Exodus,

Please, let's be objective here... the Hawks in the Woodson era haven't won a lot of home games until recently.... The Hawks had a tough time beating above .550/.600 teams at HOME AND ON THE ROAD...

Last year, the team won 37 games and the team was 25-16 at home, but had a difficult time beating strong teams at HOME (i.e. San Antonio, Lakers, Dallas, Portland and even mediocre, but emerging Philly was a challenge...)

Marvin's indecisiveness as a three-point shooter and inability to finish at the rim in traffic is a recurring problem, and especially a problem against good teams at home and especially on the road...

LOL @ you talking about being objective.

Mo started in Marvin's place. He scored 2 pts and got clowned by Roy yet somehow you want to make a connection with today's performance and Marvin's absence. You can sell crazy to Diesel but not to me.

Marvin is shooting 60.8% on his attempts inside.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08ATL9.HTM

Mo is shooting 47.9% on his attempts inside.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08ATL7.HTM

Yet somehow in your world Marvin's 60.8% shooting inside is hurting the Hawks but Mo's 47.9% shooting inside isn't.

:laughing5:

[HAWKS1986]

Exodus:

Stats are nice, but it doesn't tell the whole story...you should know that (maybe not..LOL)

The chemistry is ten times better and this team is a more formidable at home, and I venture to say a more competitive team on the road with the current lineup...

Brandon Roy after today's game:

"The Hawks played like the more aggressive team and like they wanted it more," Roy said. "Their movement was better on offense, pushing the ball and getting to the rim....."

I bet Roy, Travis Outlaw, and others were hoping Marvin and his great "stats" were on the floor... and it's likely it would have been another nailbaiter with the Hawks losing..

Change has come... Moving forward with the new Hawks lineup

8-0 without Marvin...

And Maurice Evans provide a different dynamic , but its him and Flip in tandem that makes Marvin less needed... One night Evans may have a great night, then one night Flip does..as a TEAM, this new Marvin-less lineup is more formidable and consistent...

Edited March 15, 2009 by HAWKS1986

[exodus]

Exodus:

Stats are nice, but it doesn't tell the whole story...you should know that (maybe not..LOL)

The chemistry is ten times better and this team is a more formidable team at home, and I venture to say a more competitive team on the road with the current lineup...

Brandon Roy after today's game:

"The Hawks played like the more aggressive team and like they wanted it more," Roy said. "Their movement was better on offense, pushing the ball and getting to the rim....."

I bet Roy, Travis Outlaw, and others were hoping Marvin and his great "stats" were on the floor... and it's likely it would have been another nailbaiter with the Hawks losing..

Change has come... Moving forward with the new Hawks lineup

So in other words Mo's 2 pts and Roy's total domination of him didn't hurt the Hawks. If Marvin was playing he somehow would have done worse and it would have been a tight game. OK

Marvin's absence is the reason JJ has 4 straight 30 point games which is probably a first in his career. marvin's absence is the reason the Hawks are rebounding better even though he was putting up career best rebounding numbers. Sure

your posts are a logic vacuum.

[HAWKS1986]

So in other words Mo's 2 pts and Roy's total domination of him didn't hurt the Hawks. If Marvin was playing he somehow would have done worse and it would have been a tight game. OK

Marvin's absence is the reason JJ has 4 straight 30 point games which is probably a first in his career. marvin's absence is the reason the Hawks are rebounding better even though he was putting up career best rebounding numbers. Sure

your posts are a logic vacuum.

Exodus: Marvin's days as a starter are numbered... Mo Evans is not a long-term solution, but he is a better fit to what this team needs right now...

And re-read Roy's comments:

Brandon Roy after today's game:

"The Hawks played like the more aggressive team and like they wanted it more," Roy said. "Their movement was better on offense, pushing the ball and getting to the rim....."

(Mo)re is better... (Mo) Evans and Flip Murray playing more minutes helps make the team better...and teams around the league are noticing...

Ex..you are in the vacuum, caught up in hating on Mo Evans specifically and the undeniable fact that Marvin's days as a starter are waning...

..and one more time in case you missed it...

"The Hawks played like the more aggressive team and like they wanted it more," Roy said. "Their movement was better on offense, pushing the ball and getting to the rim....."

[Peoriabird]

So in other words Mo's 2 pts and Roy's total domination of him didn't hurt the Hawks. If Marvin was playing he somehow would have done worse and it would have been a tight game. OK

Marvin's absence is the reason JJ has 4 straight 30 point games which is probably a first in his career. marvin's absence is the reason the Hawks are rebounding better even though he was putting up career best rebounding numbers. Sure

your posts are a logic vacuum.

Don't forget the one shot that Flip hit sealed the blowout!

[exodus]

Exodus: Marvin's days as a starter are numbered... Mo Evans is not a long-term solution, but he is a better fit to what this team needs right now...

And re-read Roy's comments:

Brandon Roy after today's game:

"The Hawks played like the more aggressive team and like they wanted it more," Roy said. "Their movement was better on offense, pushing the ball and getting to the rim....."

(Mo)re is better... (Mo) Evans and Flip Murray playing more minutes helps make the team better...and teams around the league are noticing...

Ex..you are in the vacuum, caught up in hating on Mo Evans specifically and the undeniable fact that Marvin's days as a starter are waning...

..and one more time in case you missed it...

"The Hawks played like the more aggressive team and like they wanted it more," Roy said. "Their movement was better on offense, pushing the ball and getting to the rim....."

So when did Mo show any aggression? When did Mo get to the rim? He only scored 2 points.

Your comments make no sense. Just because Roy said the Hawks were more aggressive than the Blazers has no relevance to Marvin or Mo. it isn't like Mo did anything tonight. Roy's comments could just as easily be taken as criticism of his own team for not matching the Hawks effort.

[mrhonline]

I don't see how Marvin could've been any worse than the West+Flip combination offensively.

[tonegully]

I still do not see the change in our team with Marvin being out. The offense is still the same. Now our defense intensity was up today and Mo did a great job on Roy but on the offensive end it was the same.

Thank goodness for the Horf tech that lit some fire under Smoove, he was playing like boo boo

[Supporter]

So in other words Mo's 2 pts and Roy's total domination of him didn't hurt the Hawks. If Marvin was playing he somehow would have done worse and it would have been a tight game. OK

Marvin's absence is the reason JJ has 4 straight 30 point games which is probably a first in his career. marvin's absence is the reason the Hawks are rebounding better even though he was putting up career best rebounding numbers. Sure

your posts are a logic vacuum.

Joe had 5 straight 30 point games back in the 05-06 season

[BusBoyIsBack]

I still do not see the change in our team with Marvin being out. The offense is still the same. Now our defense intensity was up today and Mo did a great job on Roy but on the offensive end it was the same.

Thank goodness for the Horf tech that lit some fire under Smoove, he was playing like boo boo

It's not. People just don't like the guy which is why some are giddy at our success without him.

When you point to the 6-0 start with both Joe and Marvin or the 2-0 without Joe, it doesn't resonate with these people that clearly there is nothing wrong with Marvin.

They have the blinders on