Mark Cuban may be interested in Josh Smith

[txsting]

How about 2-time MVP Steve Nash?

I would argue that Nash gives as much as he gets, and it's why you don't see him winning anything.

[AHF]

I would argue that Nash gives as much as he gets, and it's why you don't see him winning anything.

He has won a lot more than JJ.

[dlpin]

This is just ignorant talk here. If Smoove is garbage, what is JJ because Smoove was obviously the team leader throughout the playoffs!! Look at Dallas' exits in the playoffs and how long Dirk has been "leading" that team. Yes, he's getting it done in the WC but, has only made it the Finals once in his career in his prime. By the time Smith is in his prime, I think we could make the Finals at least once and maybe even when with the right pieces in place like Dirk had.

You talk about being in the finals as if it is nothing. Dallas is the only team to break the spurs-lakers dominance in the west this decade.

And the hawks might very well reach the finals with Smoove some day, but will he be the best player on the team? Can a team where he is the best player by very wide margin make the finals?

People can argue that a dirk for smoove trade would be a bad fit for the haws, but it is absolutely insane to argue that it would be a bad trade because dirk is a worse player, or somehow less valuable.

[00Blink]

You talk about being in the finals as if it is nothing. Dallas is the only team to break the spurs-lakers dominance in the west this decade.

And the hawks might very well reach the finals with Smoove some day, but will he be the best player on the team? Can a team where he is the best player by very wide margin make the finals?

People can argue that a dirk for smoove trade would be a bad fit for the haws, but it is absolutely insane to argue that it would be a bad trade because dirk is a worse player, or somehow less valuable.

I didn't say worser and I didn't say less valuable...but I would take Smoove over Dirk. Yes Dallas did do that in the WC but Dirk didn't show up to play...it was JT and Stackhouse that was doing it in the playoffs. JT was hitting big shot after big shot. He just couldn't keep it up with Wade in the Finals. Dirk has always had a good supporting cast.

[00Blink]

Dirk has done what he has done basically by himself. In 2006 when they got up 2-0 on Miami in the Finals.....what was that team? His help was Terry[/b](who is a better scorer than Bibby and at will and he gets into the lane at will) and Howard (who is a nutcase but still better than Marvin, dispute that all you want, he is...more agressive/assertive penetrates/slash better, better rebounder. An old Stackhouse(who is a better 6th man than our 6th man BY FAR). The uselessness of Dampier (Dampier is a very serviceable and legit 7 ft who only had to TRY to face Shaq AND Mourning...get real). JJ/Marvin/Bibby/Horford is a MUCH better support cast (are you serious, we win one matchup and that is JJ and he only shows up sporadically in the playoffs, not even sporadically, 5 times in 18 playoff games[3 homes games against Boston in 08 and game 7 against Miami in 09 and game 4 against Cleveland in 09] and Smoove has showed up 12 out of 18 games [3 times against Boston in 08 and 5 games against Miami in 09 and all 4 games against Cleveland in 09] . I watched it with my own eyes but never really understood how that team could win 67 games. But Dirk has never played with someone legit like JJ (dude JT shows up every big game, EVERY big game moreso than Dirk. That year Dirk scored over 26 pts a game, shot 40% from 3, eFG of 59%. Those are MVP numbers despite getting all the attention from everyone he plays (seriously...nobody doubles Dirk...matter of fact they put 6-6 Posey on a 7 fter...everybody who plays Dallas does that...a small forward on Dirk, yeah that's taking the load of doubles and all the attention). And last year, he averaged 25.9 pts, eFG of 56%. No dropoff yet - and none in sight....he doesn't rely on blazing athleticism so he won't fade away quickly. Smoove on the other hand, once his hops fade, will be out of the league if he doesn't develop his all-around game.

Anyway the point is moot. Dirk is a top 15 player in the league, Smoove is scratching his way into the top 50. No trade based on Smoove/Dirk will happen. Cuban's biggest fault is that he is loyal to his players, he develops relationships with them. Then he overpays them to keep them around. I mean, what is Devean George doing on that team? And the terrible re-signing of Diop (who was later traded). But he LOVES Dirk. I don't see Dirk moving, especially not for Smoove.

I see you from Dallas so you are being more subjective. Dirk has ALWAYS had a nice supporting cast. He's always had that point guard (Steve Nash, JT, Devin Harris), he's always had the small forward (Howard, Mashburn, and Devin George is seviceable) and he always had a serviceable big (Dampier, Diop--defensive, now Bass) and they always had a nice 6th man...Stackhouse, now Terry.

And Dirk is a top 15 player based solely on his offensive ability...rebounding, assists, steals, blocks, defense, leadership, and showing up in big games...NADA!! Smoove is scratching his way as you say, but he puts numbers up across the boards

P.S. It is only a few things that Smoove needs to hone in and he will be THAT guy nobody wants to face...shot selection and work on his jumper, work on his low post moves which he has OBVIOUSLY increased exponentially (just needs to play lower more consistently), and give the ball up on the break, and quit crying and complaining, even though he have legitimate gripes at times, he's an emotional player who plays with ALL heart.

P.S.S. Rebuttal?

Edited May 21, 2009 by SmooveHawksFan

[dlpin]

I didn't say worser and I didn't say less valuable...but I would take Smoove over Dirk. Yes Dallas did do that in the WC but Dirk didn't show up to play...it was JT and Stackhouse that was doing it in the playoffs. JT was hitting big shot after big shot. He just couldn't keep it up with Wade in the Finals. Dirk has always had a good supporting cast.

Dirk didn't show up to play? He led the team in scoring and rebounds in every round of the playoffs and didnt show up? And for all his better supporting cast, he is still the best in the team, while Josh Smith is not even the best in his team.

Anyways, what is the point? That you prefer Smith? That is your prerogative. Otherwise, to think that they are anywhere close to each other in value or current ability is an exaggeration.

[frankthetank966]

Okay give us Josh Howard, Jason Terry and a draft pick... maybe the pick is too much but I would seriously want both of those guys.

[00Blink]

Okay give us Josh Howard, Jason Terry and a draft pick... maybe the pick is too much but I would seriously want both of those guys.

I'm serious, and trade out 6th men, Stackhouse for Murray and even center, Dampier for Horford (this is questionable) but horford hasn't done anything better than Dampier and he's a bigger body, a traditional center.

[00Blink]

Dirk didn't show up to play? He led the team in scoring and rebounds in every round of the playoffs and didnt show up? And for all his better supporting cast, he is still the best in the team, while Josh Smith is not even the best in his team.

Anyways, what is the point? That you prefer Smith? That is your prerogative. Otherwise, to think that they are anywhere close to each other in value or current ability is an exaggeration.

06 Playoffs Total avgs

Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

Dirk Nowitzki

23 23 42.7 .468 .343 .895 2.00 9.60 11.70 2.9 1.09 .61 2.13 2.80 27.0

Jason Terry

22 22 38.4 .442 .307 .831 .50 2.40 2.90 3.8 1.18 .05 2.00 2.50 18.9

Josh Howard

23 23 35.8 .453 .369 .808 1.80 5.70 7.40 1.4 1.00 .61 2.26 3.70 16.7

Jerry Stackhouse

22 1 32.3 .402 .338 .784 .90 1.90 2.80 2.5 .55 .27 1.68 2.00 13.7

Devin Harris

23 15 24.3 .480 .000 .703 .70 1.00 1.70 2.2 .78 .13 1.83 3.00 9.4

Erick Dampier

19 2 23.9 .540 .000 .614 2.90 3.80 6.70 .3 .58 1.26 .63 3.90 5.0

Adreian Griffin

20 8 17.5 .542 .000 .875 1.40 2.20 3.60 1.2 .75 .10 .55 2.10 3.6

Keith Van Horn

14 3 12.3 .339 .286 1.000 .60 1.70 2.30 .1 .00 .29 .43 1.70 3.6

Marquis Daniels

20 0 11.1 .446 .400 .762 .50 .60 1.10 1.3 .25 .05 .60 1.30 3.4

DeSagana Diop

22 18 18.5 .615 .000 .611 1.80 3.10 5.00 .1 .64 1.27 .50 3.70 2.7

06 1 rd playoffs

Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

Dirk Nowitzki

4 4 41.3 .506 .421 .868 1.50 6.30 7.80 3.0 .75 .50 1.25 3.00 31.3

Jason Terry

4 4 36.8 .419 .235 .875 .80 3.00 3.80 5.5 .75 .00 1.75 3.00 17.5

Josh Howard

4 4 31.5 .489 .500 .867 1.00 4.50 5.50 1.8 1.00 .25 1.75 4.00 16.3

Jerry Stackhouse

4 0 29.5 .357 .222 .882 1.00 1.50 2.50 2.0 .50 .00 2.00 2.80 11.8

Erick Dampier

4 0 27.8 .348 .000 .833 4.80 4.00 8.80 .5 .75 2.25 .50 3.50 6.5

Adreian Griffin

4 4 25.0 .556 .000 1.000 2.80 2.30 5.00 2.5 1.50 .00 .75 2.30 5.3

Devin Harris

4 0 13.0 .538 .000 .600 .30 .80 1.00 1.3 .50 .00 1.25 2.00 4.3

Marquis Daniels

3 0 19.0 .500 1.000 .000 .30 2.30 2.70 2.3 .67 .00 1.00 2.30 4.3

06 Conference Semis

Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

Dirk Nowitzki

7 7 44.3 .527 .125 .913 1.90 11.40 13.30 2.7 1.43 .43 3.00 2.90 27.1

Jason Terry

6 6 40.7 .438 .391 .944 .70 2.30 3.00 3.2 1.17 .00 1.83 2.30 19.7

Josh Howard

7 7 37.6 .451 .385 .824 1.90 5.30 7.10 1.1 .43 .86 2.43 3.40 16.4

Jerry Stackhouse

7 1 35.0 .437 .409 .619 .70 1.70 2.40 2.4 .29 .29 .86 1.10 16.0

Devin Harris

7 6 31.6 .470 .000 .750 .70 2.00 2.70 2.0 .43 .43 2.57 3.30 12.7

06 Conference Finals

Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

Dirk Nowitzki

6 6 41.0 .455 .500 .893 3.20 10.00 13.20 3.5 1.33 .83 1.67 2.00 28.0

Josh Howard

6 6 34.0 .495 .381 .750 2.30 6.00 8.30 1.0 1.50 .50 2.17 3.20 19.3

Jason Terry

6 6 35.7 .416 .250 .773 .70 2.30 3.00 3.5 .83 .17 1.83 3.00 16.0

Jerry Stackhouse

6 0 33.0 .420 .267 .773 1.00 2.00 3.00 2.7 .67 .17 2.00 2.30 13.2

Devin Harris

6 6 22.8 .583 .000 .588 1.00 .80 1.80 2.3 1.33 .00 1.33 2.80 11.

Vs Miami 06 Finals

Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

Dirk Nowitzki

6 6 43.7 .390 .250 .891 1.50 9.30 10.80 2.5 .67 .67 2.17 3.30 22.8

Jason Terry

6 6 40.0 .478 .317 .733 .20 2.00 2.20 3.5 1.83 .00 2.50 1.80 22.0

Josh Howard

6 6 38.5 .388 .263 .808 1.70 6.50 8.20 1.8 1.17 .67 2.50 4.30 14.7

Jerry Stackhouse

5 0 30.0 .355 .368 .929 1.00 2.40 3.40 3.0 .80 .60 2.20 2.00 12.8

Devin Harris

6 3 24.5 .364 .000 .750 .50 .30 .80 2.8 .83 .00 1.83 3.50 7.3

Erick Dampier

6 0 24.7 .722 .000 .500 2.70 5.50 8.20 .3 1.00 .67 1.33 3.70 5.7

Adreian Griffin

6 3 13.7 .563 .000 .000 1.30 1.80 3.20 .8 .83 .00 .50 2.20 3.0

Marquis Daniels

6 0 8.8 .545 .333 .800 .30 .20 .50 1.3 .00 .00 .67 1.20 2.8

DeSagana Diop

6 6 15.7 .500 .000 .500 .80 2.50 3.30 .2 .33 .83 .50 3.80 1.7

Now let’s look at this dlpin…Dirk was out of his mind in Conference play in the playoffs. When he got to the Heat, he dropped off SUBSTANTIALLY, with a 6-6 James Posey on a 7 ft Dirk. Dirk is expected to just GO OFF!! Nope, he dropped in majority of the essential statistics. JT had DWade defending him, in which Wade prides himself on holding the best player, kind of like a Kobe. Also look at the FG%...from 50% to 40% and a 5 pt drop off in pts against Miami against a 6-6 Posey…didn’t show up….he scored because he shot in bunches…JT showed up and increase his game against Miami…the only one over 40% at 48% scoring 1 pt less than Dirk.

FAILED!! If you don’t succeed the first time, TRY AGAIN!!

Edited May 22, 2009 by SmooveHawksFan