TheNorthCydeRises Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 (edited) I know this is the vision that some of you want to see. I don't personally agree with an 11 man rotation, but I'll play along, to see how Woody could do this. The rotation would achieve these goals: - keep JJ relatively fresh and not wear him out - keep our starters from playing more than 35 min/game - enable Crawford to be a primary scoring threat when JJ is out of the game, while getting major minutes - possibly keep Horford and Josh Smith out of foul trouble. - slowly develop Teague with nightly playing time - allow Woody to go with a wide array of personnel looks Now whether all of this makes us a better team, remains to be seen. But if you want an idea of how the Hawks 11-man rotation could look like, with Woody choreographing his subs according to the time on the game clock, here's how it may look. STARTERS TO BEGIN THE GAME PG - bibby G - johnson F - marvin ( sub @ 6 ) . . . this indicates who's coming out the game and when PF - smoove C - horford ( sub @ 6 ) 1st TV TIMEOUT ( around 6 minute mark of 1st ) bibby ( sub @ 3 ) CRAWFORD . . . . ALL CAPS indicates player who entered the game johnson smoove ( sub @ 3 ) ZAZA 2nd TV TIMEOUT ( around 3 min mark of 1st ) TEAGUE crawford johnson ( sub start of 2nd ) JOE SMITH ( sub start of 2nd ) zaza (((( END OF 1ST QUARTER )))) 2nd QUARTER STARTERS teague ( sub @ 9 ) crawford EVANS ( sub @ 9 ) HORFORD ( sub @ 9 ) zaza ( sub @ 9 ) 1st TV TIMEOUT ( around 9 min mark of 2nd ) BIBBY crawford ( sub @ 6 ) MARVIN SMOOVE COLLINS ( sub @ 6 ) 2nd TV TIMEOUT ( around 6 min mark of 2nd ) bibby ( sub @ 2 ) JOHNSON ( sub @ 2 ) marvin smoove ( sub @ 2 ) HORFORD SUBSTITUTION ( around 2 min mark ) NOTE: Near the end of the 2nd quarter, Woody would routinely pull a guy out of a game if he had 2 fouls, to prevent him from picking up a cheap 3rd foul. This is where we usually saw Mario West and Solomon Jones enter the game to finish the half. He wouldn't sub them in when the last TV timeout of the quarter happened ( around the 3 min mark ). He always wait until it was under 2 minutes. In this rotation, Woody is looking to possibly protect JJ, Bibby, and Smoove. CRAWFORD EVANS marvin JOE SMITH horford (((( END OF 2ND QUARTER )))) TOTAL MINUTES PLAYED IN 1ST HALF: Bibby - 16 Johnson - 16 Marvin - 15 Smoove - 16 Horford - 15 Crawford - 14 Zaza - 9 Teague - 6 Evans - 5 Joe Smith - 5 Collins - 3 3RD QUARTER STARTING LINEUP bibby johnson ( sub @ 6 ) marvin smoove ( sub @ 6 ) horford 1st TV TIMEOUT ( around 6 min mark of 3rd ) bibby ( sub @ 3 ) CRAWFORD marvin ( sub @ 3 ) horford ( sub @ 3 ) ZAZA 2nd TV TIMEOUT ( around 3 min mark of 3rd ) TEAGUE crawford ( sub start of 4th ) JOHNSON SMOOVE zaza (((( END OF 3RD QUARTER )))) 4TH QUARTER STARTING LINEUP teague ( sub @ 9 ) johnson ( sub @ 9 ) MARVIN smoove ( sub @ 9 ) zaza ( sub @ 9 ) 1st TV TIMEOUT ( around 9 min mark of 4th ) CRAWFORD EVANS ( sub @ 6 ) marvin ( sub @ 6 ) JOE SMITH ( sub @ 6 ) HORFORD 2nd TV TIMEOUT ( around 6 min mark of 4th ) BIBBY crawford ( sub @ 3 ) JOHNSON SMOOVE horford LAST TV TIMEOUT ( around 3 min mark of 4th ) bibby johnson MARVIN smoove horford (((( END OF GAME ))) TOTAL MINUTES PLAYED: Bibby - 31 Johnson - 34 Marvin - 33 Smoove - 34 Horford - 33 Crawford - 26 Zaza - 18 Teague - 12 Evans - 8 Joe Smith - 8 Collins - 3 Edited September 10, 2009 by northcyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeagueForMVP Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 i like it but i think maurice evans should get more pt and maybe joe smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunt91 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 i like it but i think maurice evans should get more pt and maybe joe smith Yeah I agree with you, no way Evans plays less than 20minutes a game. In reality we all know our rotation will be closer to 10 men than 11. Collins will probably recieve some DNP's in some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I like this but in my eyes I say we give joe smith alot more minutes than 8 atleast 15 and i think collins should get about the same amount as zaza like 8 or 9. An horford shouldnt be seeing 33 minutes of play time but more like 25 to 30, and as for j smoove right at 30. but hey thats my opnion. i really dont care as long as our starters get enough rest and we win! GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillent Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 In reality we all know our rotation will be closer to 10 men than 11. Collins will probably recieve some DNP's in some games. Yep!! I think Collins was brought in more for situations(injuries,toughness,size) rather than actually scratching the playing rotation on a consistent basis. Other than that pretty good and well thought out. I do not think Woody will make your scheme quite the reality but it will be interesting to see how it all actually plays out. It definitely shows us how deep/versatile our team is or at least can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Yep!! I think Collins was brought in more for situations(injuries,toughness,size) rather than actually scratching the playing rotation on a consistent basis. Other than that pretty good and well thought out. I do not think Woody will make your scheme quite the reality but it will be interesting to see how it all actually plays out. It definitely shows us how deep/versatile our team is or at least can be. I agree. I think the only time Collins shoud see time, is if Horford and Zaza are in serious foul trouble . . or if we're matched up with a big center like Shaq or Howard. I also agree with the others about Evans. At minimum, he should be playing at least 12 minutes a night. In reality, he probably should be closer to 15 - 18 minutes a night. The guy can shoot the 3-ball and is a decent defender ( when he's not trying to guard a superstar. As for Joe Smith, I'd keep him under 10 minutes, no more than 12 minutes a night. I still say that Marvin is a better PF than Joe Smith, and that Marvin should see spot minutes there each night. And I don't like the idea of Horford and Smoove playing closer to 30 min/game than 35 min/game. And we all know about Woody and young players. If Teague doesn't prove on the court, that he's a baller, he may become a situational PG, instead of one that knows he'll play 12 minutes a night. I'll believe an 11 or even a 10-man rotation from Woody, when I see it. I say that he tries to go 9-deep, with Crawford, Zaza, Evans, and either Teague or Joe Smith holding down the 9th spot. The loser between Teague and Joe Smith won't play every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrywest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I also agree with the others about Evans. At minimum, he should be playing at least 12 minutes a night. In reality, he probably should be closer to 15 - 18 minutes a night. The guy can shoot the 3-ball and is a decent defender ( when he's not trying to guard a superstar. Mo built a lot of muscles this summer in anticipation of defending against LeBron/Pierce/Lewis/Torkoglu. According to Sekou, Mo looks like he could become an ultimate fighter. Hope that will earn him some minutes. He might be able to rebound better too. He'll never have a floor game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachx Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) PG: Bibby 30mpg / Crawford 15 mpg / Teague 3 mpg SG: JJ 25 mpg / Crawford 15 mpg / Teague 8 mpg SF: Marvin 34 mpg / JJ 10 mpg / Mo 4 mpg PF: Smoove 35 mpg / J. Smith 10 mpg / Horford 3 mpg C: Horford 31 mpg / ZaZa 12 mpg / Collins 5 mpg It will be tough to get Mo Evans minutes............especially if Teague plays well and needs more minutes. If Teage struggles then there will be more minutes for Mo. I love the insurance we have with Marvin being able to swing to PF in case of injury and Mo being able to play SG or SF in case of injury. Smith and Colllins are the big bodies we were missing last year. Should be a fun season ! Edited September 11, 2009 by coachx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrywest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 This year Woody will only give minutes to Teague if he contributes to the win. Otherwise it'll be all garbage time. This will be the defining year of Woody's coaching career. Nothing personal with nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillent Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 And we all know about Woody and young players. If Teague doesn't prove on the court, that he's a baller, he may become a situational PG, instead of one that knows he'll play 12 minutes a night. I'll believe an 11 or even a 10-man rotation from Woody, when I see it. I say that he tries to go 9-deep, with Crawford, Zaza, Evans, and either Teague or Joe Smith holding down the 9th spot. The loser between Teague and Joe Smith won't play every night. :thumbsupsmileyanim:DAT SOUNDS ALOT LIKE WOODY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 To the people who said Zaza should only play 9 minutes a game, that is ridiculous. Zaza will probably go back to disgruntled, trying to do too much like he did in 2007 if he doesn't even play 10 minutes a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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