jerrywest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Should The Hawks Consider Trading Joe Johnson? http://hawks.realgm.com/articles/593/20090929/should_the_hawks_consider_trading_joe_johnson/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrywest Posted September 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Isn't 70 mil/5 years a loss for him when he could have had $60 mil for 4 years? Thats $1 mil less per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Can't say I disagree with the article. I have a hunch, and it is nothing more than a hunch, that he is looking for bigger money elsewhere. If I have to guess the probability that he will be back for us, I'd say around 33%--especially if we don't make it out of the second round. One thing is likely true though, he may get offered more money, but he will likely not be treated as the team's superstar and #1 option if Joe opts to don a different uniform--you know, unless he goes to a really bad or dysfunctional team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 (edited) Isn't 70 mil/5 years a loss for him when he could have had $60 mil for 4 years? Thats $1 mil less per year. LOL . . damn. JJ may not be worth 20 million, but he's going to get more than 14 - 15 million. It's amazing to me how people expect a 3-time all-star ( consecutively ), to just settle for the first offer the organization gives him. An offer [edited] which is basically an extension of the per year payout of his current contract. [/edited] If they trade him, they better make the right trade, or it could be disasterous. He's a top 5 SG in the NBA, and he's gonna get paid. If not by us, by somebody. Edited September 30, 2009 by northcyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 way too early to say. I think it all depends upon how we play this year and the playoffs. I'm not sure he's worth that kind of money though;. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillent Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 All things should be considered but unless it is a no brainer no!! Look at our team now if you take him out the roster and 3 of our core young players plus our rookie have no where to go but up(being lazy explained in more detail in another post) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameTime Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 If they trade him, they better make the right trade, or it could be disasterous. He's a top 5 SG in the NBA, and he's gonna get paid. If not by us, by somebody. If we don't trade him it could more disastrous. We really need to see where his head is at. I am thinking he wants a max deal. He is not worth that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachx Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 LOL . . damn. JJ may not be worth 20 million, but he's going to get more than 14 - 15 million. It's amazing to me how people expect a 3-time all-star ( consecutively ), to just settle for the first offer the organization gives him. An offer [edited] which is basically an extension of the per year payout of his current contract. [/edited] If they trade him, they better make the right trade, or it could be disasterous. He's a top 5 SG in the NBA, and he's gonna get paid. If not by us, by somebody. Well said ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaceCase Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Anyone stop to think that maybe it's not all about the amount per year but also that 5th and 6th year that he would only be eligible for next season? With all this 2010 talk, especially over at RealGM, part of the advantages that fanbases are using for their free agent not leaving is the years and pay raises that only their team can give them. Why would Joe not only forgo waiting to see his market value but also leave himself searching for yet another new contract earlier that will not be anywhere near as lucrative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Anyone stop to think that maybe it's not all about the amount per year but also that 5th and 6th year that he would only be eligible for next season? With all this 2010 talk, especially over at RealGM, part of the advantages that fanbases are using for their free agent not leaving is the years and pay raises that only their team can give them. Why would Joe not only forgo waiting to see his market value but also leave himself searching for yet another new contract earlier that will not be anywhere near as lucrative? Great point that was addresed in another post as well. The real problem for fans is not knowing how high our management is willing to go in order to secure our player. Its a complete unknown; and all anyone can do is speculate on what offers he will get and what we would match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaceCase Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Hmm on further inspection, why further tie up capspace by trading Joe for longer contracts? Let him walk, we have Crawful and oh have we forgotten about Chills? Deep draft too in 2010, over a dozen centers if they declare, going to have an early 20s pick plus our second and maybe Houston's second. Got this year's second round draft pick, SG Segiy Gladyr. That would be an ASG friendly lineup no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Hmm on further inspection, why further tie up capspace by trading Joe for longer contracts? Let him walk, we have Crawful and oh have we forgotten about Chills? Deep draft too in 2010, over a dozen centers if they declare, going to have an early 20s pick plus our second and maybe Houston's second. Got this year's second round draft pick, SG Segiy Gladyr. That would be an ASG friendly lineup no? Primarily so we don't fall off the playoff map not this year but next. A early twenties pick is a crap shoot at best. Lose JJ for nothing; we go back to being a contender for the 8th playoff spot if we are lucky. I like Crawford; but if we swap him for JJ and do not have at least one all-star playing for us to start 2010, we struggle to stay out of the lottery. Its that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaceCase Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Primarily so we don't fall off the playoff map not this year but next. A early twenties pick is a crap shoot at best. Lose JJ for nothing; we go back to being a contender for the 8th playoff spot if we are lucky. I like Crawford; but if we swap him for JJ and do not have at least one all-star playing for us to start 2010, we struggle to stay out of the lottery. Its that simple. I understand that all to well just wanted to put some hope in the hearts of the doom and gloom crew. I figured the Chills fanboyism would soften any blow of Joe leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 JJ, our three time all star! Trivia questions: How many times has JJ been ELECTED to play in the all star game? With three chances to show his stuff, how many times has he been one of the stars? Don't get me wrong. I like JJ. He has been a really good player for the Hawks. He came here to be a big frog in a little pond, rather than being a small frog in a big pond. In this he has been successful. Superior player on the Hawks. And, the very favorite Hawk player for Woodson. Would I consider trading JJ? You bet! But, only if the price is right. He shouldn't come cheap. To lose him for nothing at the end of the season? It's possible. That's another reason to consider trading him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Hmm on further inspection, why further tie up capspace by trading Joe for longer contracts? Let him walk, we have Crawful and oh have we forgotten about Chills? Deep draft too in 2010, over a dozen centers if they declare, going to have an early 20s pick plus our second and maybe Houston's second. Got this year's second round draft pick, SG Segiy Gladyr. That would be an ASG friendly lineup no? Well there is something to be said for having a lot of salary on the team, especially a big one like Joe, so that you can make blockbuster deals. That's why you can't just let him walk. If we constantly hover around the salary cap then we'll likely never have a team that can compete for the championship and I think that the ASG knows that and that's why they've said they'll go over the luxury tax for a championship contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 He's got to play like a top five shooting guard this year before there is any talk of a max salary. If he plays like last year . . . . . he's not worth it. Yes I would trade him for the right deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flight Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 I'll still think we should have a JJ-Wade talk with Miami just to "test the waters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anansi Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 LOL . . damn. JJ may not be worth 20 million, but he's going to get more than 14 - 15 million. It's amazing to me how people expect a 3-time all-star ( consecutively ), to just settle for the first offer the organization gives him. An offer [edited] which is basically an extension of the per year payout of his current contract. [/edited] If they trade him, they better make the right trade, or it could be disasterous. He's a top 5 SG in the NBA, and he's gonna get paid. If not by us, by somebody. That's not saying much considering there isn't much talent at the 2 guard spot in the league right now. That's like pointing out that ZaZa is a top ten center right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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