Injured : Hawks and opponents.

[exodus]

Then what is the argument then? What is the reason for bringing up our opponents injuries? What conclusion are you trying to reach by saying "......but player x was injured"? You say "strawman" I say "well where the hell else will this road lead?"

It means it is easier to beat a team that is missing key players, just like it would be easier for another team to beat the Hawks if the Hawks were missing one or more of their top 7 players. Injuries have to be looked at equally which definitely hasn't happened here. Hawks fans like to make a big deal about Hawks injuries and won't hesitate to use them as an excuse. It happens constantly.

Injuries start to even out as time goes by. So far this year the injury issue has been heavily in the Hawks favor.

If Josh was gone most of last season and won't be back for yet another year if not forever....yea I'd say it's time to move on with my team or find someone to fill in for if not replace him. I'm not going to play 164+ games with the caveat "what if this player was here?" Might as well not even lace up your sneakers then with that nonsense.

It is not that simple. Smith's salary would still count against the cap even if he can't play. it isn't like the Hawks could spend $10 million on a replacement for Smith.

[MaceCase]

It means it is easier to beat a team that is missing key players, just like it would be easier for another team to beat the Hawks if the Hawks were missing one or more of their top 7 players. Injuries have to be looked at equally which definitely hasn't happened here. Hawks fans like to make a big deal about Hawks injuries and won't hesitate to use them as an excuse. It happens constantly.

Injuries start to even out as time goes by. So far this year the injury issue has been heavily in the Hawks favor.

It is not that simple. Smith's salary would still count against the cap even if he can't play. it isn't like the Hawks could spend $10 million on a replacement for Smith.

Yes, both wins and loses are tainted (my word, not yours) when it comes to injuries but come on Ex it doesn't matter how many times you hit that nail on the head its still not going to sink in with certain people. Fact is the NBA is not a perfect league and no loss or win is perfect, you take them however you can get them that's why we dress 12 on every night to hopefully prepare for that outcome. I'm watching the fully stocked Raptors taking on the Duncan and Parker less Spurs here and they sure as hell are not finding anything easy.

Yes the contract remains on the cap but you can A) Promote a swingman from within B) Draft a replacement/back up that's much cheaper C) Sign a FA D) Apply for an injury exception as the Rockets did to sign Ariza or E) all of the above.

[exodus]

Yes, both wins and loses are tainted (my word, not yours) when it comes to injuries but come on Ex it doesn't matter how many times you hit that nail on the head its still not going to sink in with certain people. Fact is the NBA is not a perfect league and no loss or win is perfect, you take them however you can get them that's why we dress 12 on every night to hopefully prepare for that outcome. I'm watching the fully stocked Raptors taking on the Duncan and Parker less Spurs here and they sure as hell are not finding anything easy.

Yes the contract remains on the cap but you can A) Promote a swingman from within B) Draft a replacement/back up that's much cheaper C) Sign a FA D) Apply for an injury exception as the Rockets did to sign Ariza or E) all of the above.

A) nobody on the team could replace what Smith brings. B) The draft isn't a sure thing (see BK's draft record) C) Such as? D) That would only work if it was a sure thing Smith would be out for the year.

[AHF]

Then what is the argument then? What is the reason for bringing up our opponents injuries? What conclusion are you trying to reach by saying "......but player x was injured"? You say "strawman" I say "well where the hell else will this road lead?"

If Josh was gone most of last season and won't be back for yet another year if not forever....yea I'd say it's time to move on with my team or find someone to fill in for if not replace him. I'm not going to play 164+ games with the caveat "what if this player was here?" Might as well not even lace up your sneakers then with that nonsense.

Dunleavy is scheduled to start practicing with the Pacers in the next 7-10 days for what it is worth.

[MaceCase]

Hawks vs. Knicks 11/11/09

Hawks Injuries:

None of note

Knicks Injuries:

Nate Robinson-day to day (ankle)

Darko Milicic-day to day (Knee)

Skinny Eddy Curry-indefinetly (calf)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWo8vsaVqw

[jerrywest]

Game 1: Pacers: Dunleavy, Hansbrough. Hawks: None.

Game 2: Wiz: Jameson, Crittenton, Butler (half game). Hawks: None.

Game 3: Lakers: Gasol. Hawks: None.

Game 4: Blazers: Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 5: Kings: Garcia. Hawks: None.

Game 6: Bobcats: Diop. Hawks: None.

Game 7: Nuggets: JR Smith, KMart. Hawks: None.

Game 8: Knicks: EddyCurry, Milicic, Nate Robinson. Hawks: None.

[jerrywest]

Game 1: Pacers: Dunleavy, Hansbrough. Hawks: None.

Game 2: Wiz: Jameson, Crittenton, Butler (half game). Hawks: None.

Game 3: Lakers: Gasol. Hawks: None.

Game 4: Blazers: Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 5: Kings: Garcia. Hawks: None.

Game 6: Bobcats: Diop. Hawks: None.

Game 7: Nuggets: JR Smith, KMart. Hawks: None.

Game 8: Knicks: EddyCurry, Milicic, Nate Robinson. Hawks: None.

Rotation players missing:

Hawks - 0

Opponents - 13.

[jerrywest]

Game 1: Pacers: Dunleavy, Hansbrough. Hawks: None.

Game 2: Wiz: Jameson, Crittenton, Butler (half game). Hawks: None.

Game 3: Lakers: Gasol. Hawks: None.

Game 4: Blazers: Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 5: Kings: Garcia. Hawks: None.

Game 6: Bobcats: Diop. Hawks: None.

Game 7: Nuggets: JR Smith, KMart. Hawks: None.

Game 8: Knicks: EddyCurry, Milicic, Nate Robinson. Hawks: None.

Game 9: Celtics: Big Baby Glen Davis. Hawks: None.

Game 10: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None.

November games:

11: Porland: Outlaw (OUT-played great against us last week), Bayless (hurt ankle). Out-Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum.

12: Miami: O'Neal (Bruised hip - day to day - no way he can run with our horses), Chalmers (day to day).

13: Houston: Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady.

14: Hornets: Chris Paul.

15: Magic: Anderson/Bass (Day to day - should be back).

16: Sixers: Speight. (playing great this year)

17: Piston: Prince.

[exodus]

Jameer Nelson To Undergo Arthroscopic Knee Surgery

Orlando Magic point guard Jameer Nelson will undergo arthroscopic surgery Wednesday morning to repair a torn meniscus in his left knee.

Nelson was injured in the fourth quarter of Monday night’s game vs. Charlotte and underwent an MRI Tuesday morning.

It is estimated that Nelson will be out four-to-six weeks following the procedure.

Nelson had started all 11 games for the Magic, averaging 13.7 ppg. and a team-high 5.5 apg.

The Magic (8-3) return to action Wednesday night by hosting Oklahoma City at Amway Arena (tip-off 7 p.m.)

For more information visit orlandomagic.com.

The Magic have really been snakebit. Every starter except Howard has been hurt in addition to Anderson and Bass.

[MaceCase]

Crown us?

[jerrywest]

Game 1: Pacers: Dunleavy, Hansbrough. Hawks: None.

Game 2: Wiz: Jameson, Crittenton, Butler (half game). Hawks: None.

Game 3: Lakers: Gasol. Hawks: None.

Game 4: Blazers: Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 5: Kings: Garcia. Hawks: None.

Game 6: Bobcats: Diop. Hawks: None.

Game 7: Nuggets: JR Smith, KMart. Hawks: None.

Game 8: Knicks: EddyCurry, Milicic, Nate Robinson. Hawks: None.

Game 9: Celtics: Big Baby Glen Davis. Hawks: None.

Game 10: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None.

11: Porland: Outlaw, Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

November games:

12: Miami: O'Neal (Bruised hip - day to day - no way he can run with our horses), Chalmers (day to day).

13: Houston: Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady.

14: Hornets: Chris Paul.

15: Magic: Nelson. (Gortat is out indefinitely with flu - should be back) Back to back playing Miami & Hawks. We have 4 days rest. YES!

16: Sixers: Speight. (out - playing great this year)

17: Piston: Prince. Hamilton (?).

[exodus]

JO and Chalmers are both playing tonight. Miami is down 3 at the half to OKC.

[jerrywest]

Game 1: Pacers: Dunleavy, Hansbrough. Hawks: None.

Game 2: Wiz: Jameson, Crittenton, Butler (half game). Hawks: None.

Game 3: Lakers: Gasol. Hawks: None.

Game 4: Blazers: Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 5: Kings: Garcia. Hawks: None.

Game 6: Bobcats: Diop. Hawks: None.

Game 7: Nuggets: JR Smith, KMart. Hawks: None.

Game 8: Knicks: EddyCurry, Milicic, Nate Robinson. Hawks: None.

Game 9: Celtics: Big Baby Glen Davis. Hawks: None.

Game 10: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None.

11: Porland: Outlaw, Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

12: Miami: Haslem. Hawks: None.

13: Houston: Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady. Hawks: None.

14: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None(Bibby played 5 minutes).

15: Magic: Nelson. Hawks: None.

November games:

16: Sixers: Speight(out). Lou Williams(out for 8 weeks).

17: Piston: Prince. Hamilton, Gordon(sprained ankle?).

Edited November 27, 2009 by jerrywest

[jerrywest]

Game 1: Pacers: Dunleavy, Hansbrough. Hawks: None.

Game 2: Wiz: Jameson, Crittenton, Butler (half game). Hawks: None.

Game 3: Lakers: Gasol. Hawks: None.

Game 4: Blazers: Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 5: Kings: Garcia. Hawks: None.

Game 6: Bobcats: Diop. Hawks: None.

Game 7: Nuggets: JR Smith, KMart. Hawks: None.

Game 8: Knicks: EddyCurry, Milicic, Nate Robinson. Hawks: None.

Game 9: Celtics: Big Baby Glen Davis. Hawks: None.

Game 10: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None.

Game 11: Porland: Outlaw, Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 12: Miami: Haslem. Hawks: None.

Game 13: Houston: Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady. Hawks: None.

Game 14: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None(Bibby played 5 minutes).

Game 15: Magic: Nelson. Hawks: None.

Game 16: Sixers: Speight, Lou Williams, Elton Brand. Hawks: JJ's ego.

November games:

Game 17: Piston: Prince. Hamilton, Gordon(sprained ankle?).

[jerrywest]

Game 1: Pacers: Dunleavy, Hansbrough. Hawks: None.

Game 2: Wiz: Jameson, Crittenton, Butler (half game). Hawks: None.

Game 3: Lakers: Gasol. Hawks: None.

Game 4: Blazers: Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 5: Kings: Garcia. Hawks: None.

Game 6: Bobcats: Diop. Hawks: None.

Game 7: Nuggets: JR Smith, KMart. Hawks: None.

Game 8: Knicks: EddyCurry, Milicic, Nate Robinson. Hawks: None.

Game 9: Celtics: Big Baby Glen Davis. Hawks: None.

Game 10: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None.

Game 11: Porland: Outlaw, Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 12: Miami: Haslem. Hawks: None.

Game 13: Houston: Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady. Hawks: None.

Game 14: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None(Bibby played 5 minutes).

Game 15: Magic: Nelson. Hawks: None.

Game 16: Sixers: Speight, Lou Williams, Elton Brand. Hawks: JJ's ego.

Game 17: Piston: Prince. Hamilton, Gordon. Hawks: None.

Game 18: Raptors: None. Hawks: None. (We played our best when opponent was 100%!!!)

Game 19: Knicks: Curry, Nate, Gallinari . Hawks: None.(Smoove ejected)

Game 20: Mavs: Howard. Hawks: None.

[jerrywest]

Game 1: Pacers: Dunleavy, Hansbrough. Hawks: None.

Game 2: Wiz: Jameson, Crittenton, Butler (half game). Hawks: None.

Game 3: Lakers: Gasol. Hawks: None.

Game 4: Blazers: Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 5: Kings: Garcia. Hawks: None.

Game 6: Bobcats: Diop. Hawks: None.

Game 7: Nuggets: JR Smith, KMart. Hawks: None.

Game 8: Knicks: EddyCurry, Milicic, Nate Robinson. Hawks: None.

Game 9: Celtics: Big Baby Glen Davis. Hawks: None.

Game 10: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None.

Game 11: Porland: Outlaw, Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, and Nicolas Batum. Hawks: None.

Game 12: Miami: Haslem. Hawks: None.

Game 13: Houston: Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady. Hawks: None.

Game 14: Hornets: Chris Paul. Hawks: None(Bibby injured after 5 minutes).

Game 15: Magic: Nelson. Hawks: None.

Game 16: Sixers: Speight, Lou Williams, Elton Brand. Hawks: JJ's ego.

Game 17: Piston: Prince. Hamilton, Gordon. Hawks: None.

Game 18: Raptors: Reggie Evans . Hawks: None.

Game 19: Knicks: Curry, Nate, Gallinari . Hawks: None.(Smoove ejected)

Game 20: Mavs: Howard. Hawks: None.

Game 21: Bulls: Thomas. Hawks: None.

Game 22: Raptors: Reggie Evans, Calderon(half). Hawks: Joe Smith.

Game 23: Nets: Yi, Battie, Dooling, Douglas-Roberts, Hayes . Hawks: Joe Smith, Marvin.