Premium Member Diesel Posted November 17, 2009 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 This summer I had a topic about Roy vs. JJ who is better. There were several of you Hawks fans who said that Roy is better than JJ. All kind of stats claiming Roy is better than JJ. I wonder if JJ was reading? Or I wonder if Mrs. JJ took JJ the transcript of the discussion... because in the last two meetings between Roy and JJ, JJ has busted Roy's ---- all over the court. None more delightful than in overtime, up by 4... Joe gets Roy Isolation.. Put Roy's snotty nose on his bus and took him to school!!!! JJ trumps Roy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Marvin was getting punked by Roy in the 4th Quarter...I am so glad Woody put Joe on him afterwards. But yeah, Joe has won the battle so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporter Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Roy still reminds me of Joe, even more so after reading that article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaceCase Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Marvin was getting punked by Roy in the 4th Quarter...I am so glad Woody put Joe on him afterwards. But yeah, Joe has won the battle so far. Roy hit two long contested jumpers over Marvin, he took the ball to the basket against Joe. Yea that is a punking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Those weren't all that "contested" but whatever. I am just glad Joe got the best of this matchup...we needed him to bring his A game tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 This summer I had a topic about Roy vs. JJ who is better. There were several of you Hawks fans who said that Roy is better than JJ. All kind of stats claiming Roy is better than JJ. I wonder if JJ was reading? Or I wonder if Mrs. JJ took JJ the transcript of the discussion... because in the last two meetings between Roy and JJ, JJ has busted Roy's ---- all over the court. None more delightful than in overtime, up by 4... Joe gets Roy Isolation.. Put Roy's snotty nose on his bus and took him to school!!!! JJ trumps Roy. Over the course of a full season Brandon Roy is a half step better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 He was better than Roy in the 4th quarter and OT tonight, but slow down on saying he's a better player. Joe has Roy's ability and maybe more, but too often he's content to just dribble, dribble, dribble, and take a contested jumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 He was better than Roy in the 4th quarter and OT tonight, but slow down on saying he's a better player. Joe has Roy's ability and maybe more, but too often he's content to just dribble, dribble, dribble, and take a contested jumper. This is all too true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWhite Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 They're basically the same player. Roy's quicker, Joe's stronger. Other than that, it's apples and apples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankthetank966 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Marvin was awful tonight! He couldn't inbound the ball and he couldn't hid a mid range shot. We almost lost the game bc of his mental errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 This summer I had a topic about Roy vs. JJ who is better. There were several of you Hawks fans who said that Roy is better than JJ. All kind of stats claiming Roy is better than JJ. I wonder if JJ was reading? Or I wonder if Mrs. JJ took JJ the transcript of the discussion... because in the last two meetings between Roy and JJ, JJ has busted Roy's ---- all over the court. None more delightful than in overtime, up by 4... Joe gets Roy Isolation.. Put Roy's snotty nose on his bus and took him to school!!!! JJ trumps Roy. Just to put some perspective in here. Joe shot 13 of 31 from the floor for 41.9%. Roy shot 7 of 15 for 46.67 percent. Joe's a volume shooter and it's time we start realizing that. 31 shots, 3 turnovers is 34 possessions ending in Joe for 35 points. 1.03 points a possession. Giving credit where it's due, Joe had 9 assists tonight which is a part of his game that has been struggling of late. By comparison, Josh was 8-14 with 2 turnovers, 20 points for 1.25 points per possession. Horford was 7-10 with 0 turnovers, 15 points for 1.5 points per possession. Joe is calling his own number way too much and I personally saw more T/O by Joe tonight so I think the score keeper was being kind. Joe is doing good work but I'd like to see him follow his own advice and share the basketball more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 ^Also gotta agree there. Yes, yes we are winning...but it is true. Taking 31 shots to get to 35 points is not very good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted November 17, 2009 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 They're basically the same player. Roy's quicker, Joe's stronger. Other than that, it's apples and apples. \While why is it that tonight, Joe Looked vine ripe and Roy looked like apple Sauce? You guys can still talk about stats and traits.. but head to head, Joe took Roy to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted November 17, 2009 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Joe is doing good work but I'd like to see him follow his own advice and share the basketball more. Wow, Joe goes for 35 with 9 assists and somebody still says that they'd like to see him pass more??? Is that Joe hate or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted November 17, 2009 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 ^Also gotta agree there. Yes, yes we are winning...but it is true. Taking 31 shots to get to 35 points is not very good at all. Let's see... What should we do? Give the ball to 4 point Marvin so he can toss up another air ball?? The bottom line is that we played 3 quarters of lousy basketball. However, in that 4th and overtime period, Joe Johnson stepped up and got us the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Let's see... What should we do? Give the ball to 4 point Marvin so he can toss up another air ball?? The bottom line is that we played 3 quarters of lousy basketball. However, in that 4th and overtime period, Joe Johnson stepped up and got us the win. Diesel, I don't think anyone can argue that; that statement has merit. However, it just shows a lack of efficiency. You touched on the reason why...Craw had an off game, Marvin contributed nothing, so JJ had to dominate the ball even more. He is a closer that can come through when it matters...no doubt. However, as we continue to progress and mature, Joe wont have to take so many shots to score so few points per attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Wow, Joe goes for 35 with 9 assists and somebody still says that they'd like to see him pass more??? Is that Joe hate or something else? I was thinking more of how he and the other guards dominated the ball in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. We were a jump shooting team during that time and that is when we struggled. We need to start playing inside out so Joe can get his more in the rhythm of the game, not dominate the ball and iso so much. His efficiency goes down. Look at our best games this year. The big guys are more involved in the offense in those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted November 17, 2009 Moderators Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Joe played a superstar game. He missed some shots but he kept going until he dominated at the end. All this talk about Joe not being Wade or Lebron well this is what they do. They shoot and shoot some more. And they dish. 9 assists!!! If you're going to calculate points per possesion you have to include the 18-27 points off of 9 assists. Lets call it 20 points. So Joe scored 35 and was responsible for another 20? Anyway, if you feel like you drink too much here's a fun drinking game that will severely cut your intake. Take a drink everytime Joe passes the ball to Zaza. You'll be pretty dry by the end of the game. It just doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMJ Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Just to put some perspective in here. Joe shot 13 of 31 from the floor for 41.9%. Roy shot 7 of 15 for 46.67 percent. Joe's a volume shooter and it's time we start realizing that. 31 shots, 3 turnovers is 34 possessions ending in Joe for 35 points. 1.03 points a possession. Giving credit where it's due, Joe had 9 assists tonight which is a part of his game that has been struggling of late. By comparison, Josh was 8-14 with 2 turnovers, 20 points for 1.25 points per possession. Horford was 7-10 with 0 turnovers, 15 points for 1.5 points per possession. Joe is calling his own number way too much and I personally saw more T/O by Joe tonight so I think the score keeper was being kind. Joe is doing good work but I'd like to see him follow his own advice and share the basketball more. JJ just can't win with some of you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member hawkman Posted November 17, 2009 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 JJ just can't win with some of you guys. Amen. Is this a Hawks fan site? :cant believe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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