HawkItus Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) For me I would say Bobby Sura and Tony Kukoc were the biggest surprises from what I expected. They far exceeded it. Smoove gets honorable mention. I figured we'd get a slightly better Darvin Hamm. As for who let me down I would say it was tie between Glen Robinson and Isiah Rider. Those guys really destroyed the teams they were on and set the franchise back. Edited January 12, 2010 by sultanofatl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP23 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Al horford has really exceeded my exceptions. Greg Oden went 2 picks ahead of him, and they couldn't be more different. Joe '22 points a game" has let me down. He came here to be a superstar, and has done everything but that. The sad thing is that I know he is capable of being on Kobes, and Lebrons level...but.......I'm not saying he isn't good,..I just thought he would be better.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted January 12, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Really let me down as a Hawk: Ken Norman Glenn Robinson Alan Henderson Laphonso Ellis Dion Glover Isaiah Rider Speedy Claxton (Shareef Abdur-Rahim barely misses this list because I had high expecations he would become a star for us and Marvin Williams could make this list, but I will wait and see.) Really exceeded my expectations as a Hawk: Andrew Lang Christian Laettner Grant Long Toni Kukoc Josh Smith Before the late 80s, I wasn't watching closely enough to have serious expectations for players so someone like Koncak doesn't make my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunt91 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 For me I would say Bobby Sura and Tony Kukoc were the biggest surprises from what I expected. They far exceeded it. Smoove gets honorable mention. I figured we'd get a slightly better Darvin Hamm. As for who let me down I would say it was tie between Glen Robinson and Isiah Rider. Those guys really destroyed the teams they were on and set the franchise back. How did Toni Kukoc exceed your expectations while with the Hawks? He was only a "shell" of the Kukoc that played with the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkItus Posted January 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 How did Toni Kukoc exceed your expectations while with the Hawks? He was only a "shell" of the Kukoc that played with the Bulls. I didn't even expect a shell. He was just trade fodder that we were to let go at the end of the season. But, the guy was an inspiration. He still had some gas left and played some good ball. He was also very entertaining compared to what we had been experiencing with the team that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted January 12, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I'm surprised anyone would put SAR on disappointed list. The guy got us around 20/10 on some bad teams and had slim pickings around him. Personally I think Dion Glover was my biggest disappointment. I honestly thought if he had some run he could be a 20 ppg guy in the L but I was WAY wrong on that one. As for being better, I have to say Steve Smith. I knew he was coming off ACL surgery and I was upset we traded Willis at the time. He more than lived up to what I thought he would bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted January 12, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 For me I would say Bobby Sura and Tony Kukoc were the biggest surprises from what I expected. They far exceeded it. Smoove gets honorable mention. I figured we'd get a slightly better Darvin Hamm. As for who let me down I would say it was tie between Glen Robinson and Isiah Rider. Those guys really destroyed the teams they were on and set the franchise back. Surprise is easy... Laettner. Laettner was never my favorite player. A failed dream teamer. A broken player when we got him. However, after we got him, he played hard and was valuable. Disappointment.... I would have to say Theo Ratliff with strong honorable mentions to Lazy Lo Wright and Ken Norman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted January 12, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I'm surprised anyone would put SAR on disappointed list. The guy got us around 20/10 on some bad teams and had slim pickings around him. Personally I think Dion Glover was my biggest disappointment. I honestly thought if he had some run he could be a 20 ppg guy in the L but I was WAY wrong on that one. As for being better, I have to say Steve Smith. I knew he was coming off ACL surgery and I was upset we traded Willis at the time. He more than lived up to what I thought he would bring. I think Glovers injury made him a shell of his former self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member hawkman Posted January 12, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I think Glovers injury made him a shell of his former self. Glover was a MONSTER before he got hurt. Injuries have claimed many careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted January 13, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I think Glovers injury made him a shell of his former self. I think you are absolutely correct but with it just being an ACL tear so early in his career as a player I thought he would have been able to recover. I kept expecting the kid from Tech to show up and he never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I'm surprised anyone would put SAR on disappointed list. The guy got us around 20/10 on some bad teams and had slim pickings around him. Personally I think Dion Glover was my biggest disappointment. I honestly thought if he had some run he could be a 20 ppg guy in the L but I was WAY wrong on that one. As for being better, I have to say Steve Smith. I knew he was coming off ACL surgery and I was upset we traded Willis at the time. He more than lived up to what I thought he would bring. SAR only ever put up good numbers on bad teams. His numbers were doctored in Vancouver by statisticians. He was lazy and frustrated me to no end. Numbers be damned, he made nobody around him better. Never was going to be a #1 player on a team. I expected him to be better and was very disappointed. Better: Steve Smith Mookie Blaylock Stacey Augmon Josh Smith Andrew Lang (I thought he was going to be REALLY bad but he did OK) Snoop Graham Mike Bibby Worse: Acie Law Chris Washburn Travis Mays Theo Ratliff Tony Delk JR Rider Danny Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted January 13, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I'm surprised anyone would put SAR on disappointed list. The guy got us around 20/10 on some bad teams and had slim pickings around him. Personally I think Dion Glover was my biggest disappointment. I honestly thought if he had some run he could be a 20 ppg guy in the L but I was WAY wrong on that one. As for being better, I have to say Steve Smith. I knew he was coming off ACL surgery and I was upset we traded Willis at the time. He more than lived up to what I thought he would bring. He was 24 when we acquired him and I expect him to get better. Instead, he maintained and then his play fell off a cliff very quickly. I expected more than 20 ppg and 8+ rpg from Shareef and he had already peaked when he got to Atlanta. This may be a function of my expectations because I thought Shareef was a star on the rise - not an Antawn Jamison (at his peak). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted January 13, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 He was 24 when we acquired him and I expect him to get better. Instead, he maintained and then his play fell off a cliff very quickly. I expected more than 20 ppg and 8+ rpg from Shareef and he had already peaked when he got to Atlanta. This may be a function of my expectations because I thought Shareef was a star on the rise - not an Antawn Jamison (at his peak). I just have to point out we still haven't had a single player even remotely as talented as SAR was in the low post since he left. He was dynamite in the paint for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrywest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 He was 24 when we acquired him and I expect him to get better. Instead, he maintained and then his play fell off a cliff very quickly. I expected more than 20 ppg and 8+ rpg from Shareef and he had already peaked when he got to Atlanta. This may be a function of my expectations because I thought Shareef was a star on the rise - not an Antawn Jamison (at his peak). Rahim made the all star team as a Hawk and he is a perfect gentleman, but Jamison was far better than Rahim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted January 13, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I just have to point out we still haven't had a single player even remotely as talented as SAR was in the low post since he left. He was dynamite in the paint for us. He was a very solid player. I just expected star and there is a big margin. We will win more games this season and last than in Shareef's entire 210+ game career in Atlanta. I was a fan of the guy and don't think he was what was wrong with those teams -- he just was ultimately a dissappointment for me since I expected significantly more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted January 13, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Rahim made the all star team as a Hawk and he is a perfect gentleman, but Jamison was far better than Rahim. Not much difference. Shareef - 21.1 ppg, 9.0 rpg, .536 TS% - 19.9 ppg, 8.4 rpg .566 TS% - 20.1 ppg, 9.3 rpg, .568 TS% Jamison's last 3 years - 21.4 ppg, 10.2 rpg, .525 TS% - 22.2 ppg, 8.9 rpg, .549 TS% - 22 ppg, 8.3 rpg, .570 TS% Not much difference in terms of the numbers or the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachx Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 (edited) Dissapointed: John Koncack Priest Lauderdale Reggie Theus (we needed defense at the time / bad fit) Danny Manning Ken Norman Al Henderson Rumeal Robinson Ed Gray Emmanuel Davis JR Rider Gary Payton Rasheed Wallace Roshoun McCloud Kenny Anderson Lorezen Wright (his first term in his 20's) Dion Glover Demarr Johnson (before neck injury) John Barry Boris Diaw Marvin Williams (unfortunately) Shelden Williams Acie Law Exceeded: Spud Webb Craig Ehlo (I thought he was washed up) Grant Long Bobbie Sura Stephen Jackson Tyron Lue Jason Terry Anthony Johnson (both terms....thought he washed up the 2nd term) Joe Johnson ZaZa Pauchulia Flip Murray Jamall Crawford (was not sure he could fit) Edited January 13, 2010 by coachx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 (edited) Disappointed is easy: DOUG EDWARDS and RODNEY MONROE Doug Edwards was the main player on that ( I think 1993 Florida St team ) that was real good. That team had Edwards, Sam Cassell, Charlie Ward ( yes, the Florida St. QB ), and Bob Sura coming off the bench as the "super 6th man". Doug was supposed to be the guy that would be the good scoring backup PF to K-Willis. He and K-Will would also play on the frontline together in certain stretches. As good as he was in college, he was more than garbage on the pro level. He couldn't score on people who were the same size or bigger than him . . and he was a horrific defender. HORRIFIC. Much worse than Zaza. Rodney was a part of one of the greatest backcourts in college basketball history. For you people under age 25, go Google " NC State Fire and Ice" and read up on how good Rodney and his PG, Chris Corchaini were back at NC State. I think he was a 2nd round pick, but I still thought he could be a decent long range shooter off the bench. LOL . . that dude could barely get his shot off on the pro level. That's when I first realized that "system" shooters in college, who never scored off the dribble, would almost always fail on the NBA level. Edited January 13, 2010 by northcyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrywest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Not much difference. Shareef - 21.1 ppg, 9.0 rpg, .536 TS% - 19.9 ppg, 8.4 rpg .566 TS% - 20.1 ppg, 9.3 rpg, .568 TS% Jamison's last 3 years - 21.4 ppg, 10.2 rpg, .525 TS% - 22.2 ppg, 8.9 rpg, .549 TS% - 22 ppg, 8.3 rpg, .570 TS% Not much difference in terms of the numbers or the results. These stats don't say the whole story. Jamison is a great 3 pt shooter. Shareef was a great mid range shooter. Jamison is clutch. Shareef was soft. BK started screwing us long before he came here as GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrywest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dissapointed: John Koncack Priest Lauderdale Reggie Theus (we needed defense at the time / bad fit) Danny Manning Ken Norman Al Henderson Rumeal Robinson Ed Gray Emmanuel Davis JR Rider Gary Payton Rasheed Wallace Roshoun McCloud Kenny Anderson Lorezen Wright (his first term in his 20's) Dion Glover Demarr Johnson (before neck injury) John Barry Boris Diaw Marvin Williams (unfortunately) Shelden Williams Acie Law Exceeded: Spud Webb Craig Ehlo (I thought he was washed up) Grant Long Bobbie Sura Stephen Jackson Tyron Lue Jason Terry Anthony Johnson (both terms....thought he washed up the 2nd term) Joe Johnson ZaZa Pauchulia Flip Murray Jamall Crawford (was not sure he could fit) Agree with all + Dissapointed: Collins Hanno Montana Toine Chillz (as a 6th pick) Exceeded: Bibby Josh Smith Steve Smith (was banged up in Miami) Mookie Dikau ( had 0 expectation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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