Marvin vs. Durant : Battle of former 6'9 players who were picked 2nd in respective drafts

[hawks21]

Marvin was invisible today while Durant lead his team to victory.

Right now GM Sund needs to be finding ways to push Marvin out of here by the trade deadline.

Durant and Marvin share similarities, but once they step on the floor, this is where the similarties end.

Picked second in 2005 draft vs. Picked second in 2008 draft.

Both are 6'9. Both came in the NBA at 230 lbs.

Marvin was supposed to do what Kevin Durant is doing now. How did the Hawks evaluate so poorly in picking Marvin 2nd in the whole draft. Marvin can't even carry a mediocre colege team, must less a NBA franchise.

The talent level gap between these two players is embarrasing....

Durant can do anything he wants on the court, and even though he is "young", he was a threat.

[Admin]

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[jerrywest]

Durant and Marvin share similarities, but once they step on the floor, this is where the similarties end.

Picked second in 2005 draft vs. Picked second in 2008 draft.

Both are 6'9. Both came in the NBA at 230 lbs.

Marvin was supposed to do what Kevin Durant is doing now. How did the Hawks evaluate so poorly in picking Marvin 2nd in the whole draft. Marvin can't even carry a mediocre colege team, must less a NBA franchise.

Are you saying BK did the right thing? Did he just expect Marvin to do what Durant is doing? You just closed the case for BK.

How is it my fault if the prettiest girl in town thinks I am all that and choses me out of a thousand guys? How is it Marvin's fault?

Edited January 18, 2010 by jerrywest

[D.R.P.]

Marvin was invisible today while Durant lead his team to victory.

Right now GM Sund needs to be finding ways to push Marvin out of here by the trade deadline.

Durant and Marvin share similarities, but once they step on the floor, this is where the similarties end.

Picked second in 2005 draft vs. Picked second in 2008 draft.

Both are 6'9. Both came in the NBA at 230 lbs.

Marvin was supposed to do what Kevin Durant is doing now. How did the Hawks evaluate so poorly in picking Marvin 2nd in the whole draft. Marvin can't even carry a mediocre colege team, must less a NBA franchise.

The talent level gap between these two players is embarrasing....

Durant can do anything he wants on the court, and even though he is "young", he was a threat.

What a dumb dumb thread.

[hawks21]

Are you saying BK did the right thing? Did he just expect Marvin to do what Durant is doing? You just closed the case for BK.

How is it my fault if the prettiest girl in town thinks I am all that and choses me out of a thousand guys? How is it Marvin's fault?

Many on this board on Marvin's bandwagon expected him to be playing on the same level as Durant. And it hasn't panned out. This was a bad pick by Billy Knight, but the Hawks are still paying for this mistake by keeping him on the roster because some believe he is good for CHEMISTRY.

Marvin shouldn't be starting on this Hawks team nor getting 20 to 30 minutes a night.

Billy Knight is gone, but Sund need to expediate the departure of Marvin.

[hawks21]

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In all due respect, Marvin is the one playing like a dead horse..LOL.. The Hawks need to upgrade that small forward position before the trade deadline.

[benhillboy]

Joe Johnson doesn't even belong in the same breath with Kevin Durant. But Marvin Williams? He doesn't belong in the galaxy.

[macdaddy]

Because the comparison and conclusion is totally based on lies. No way was Durant 230 pounds.

[AHF]

It frustrates me that Antonio Daniels isn't as good as Chris Paul. Both were point guards selected #4 in their drafts and were expected to be studs at their positions. I am outraged that Daniels isn't doing just as well.

For that matter, why isn't Andrew Bogut equally as good as Dwight Howard? Both were top rated big men selected at #1 overall. How dare Bogut not be as good?

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Seriously, Marvin isn't nearly as good as we hoped and Durant was much more highly regarded coming out of college. I don't understand why anyone would expect them to be the same player anymore than Daniels and Paul.

[warcore]

On a serious note-can anyone think of a small forward with an expiring contract that we could trade for that wouldn't be that big of a drop off towards our push to the finals?

One that comes to mind is Mike Miller, he will at least knock down the open 3's...but we would pay big time on the defensive end.

I say expiring because getting rid of Marvin's contract allows us to make a max offer to a true star.

Also, if Joe walks, does anybody else think molding Rudy Gay into his replacement would be a good idea?

[coachx]

Silly thread.

Durant was 10X the player that Marvin was coming out after his freshman year and he is still 10X the player that Marvin.

[coachx]

One that comes to mind is Mike Miller, he will at least knock down the open 3's...but we would pay big time on the defensive end.

Miller has been hurt most of this season.

[NineOhTheRino]

Marvin was invisible today while Durant lead his team to victory.

Right now GM Sund needs to be finding ways to push Marvin out of here by the trade deadline.

Durant and Marvin share similarities, but once they step on the floor, this is where the similarties end.

Picked second in 2005 draft vs. Picked second in 2008 draft.

Both are 6'9. Both came in the NBA at 230 lbs.

Marvin was supposed to do what Kevin Durant is doing now. How did the Hawks evaluate so poorly in picking Marvin 2nd in the whole draft. Marvin can't even carry a mediocre colege team, must less a NBA franchise.

The talent level gap between these two players is embarrasing....

Durant can do anything he wants on the court, and even though he is "young", he was a threat.

Marvin is the most irritating player in the NBA. Just when you think he's turning the corner he goes back to being mediocre. At this point Marvin doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Durant.

Edited January 19, 2010 by NineOhTheRino

[AHF]

On a serious note-can anyone think of a small forward with an expiring contract that we could trade for that wouldn't be that big of a drop off towards our push to the finals?

One that comes to mind is Mike Miller, he will at least knock down the open 3's...but we would pay big time on the defensive end.

I say expiring because getting rid of Marvin's contract allows us to make a max offer to a true star.

Also, if Joe walks, does anybody else think molding Rudy Gay into his replacement would be a good idea?

I see a couple problems with that and I'll give you my assumptions and then my problems.

I am assuming the cap for 2010-11 will be flat - roughly $58M. I am assuming we renounce our rights to Joe Johnson. I am assuming we don't sign anyone for more than a minimum salary before signing this FA.

Issue 1 - Marvin is a BYC player which makes it very difficult to trade him for an expiring deal and simply clear all the space.

Issue 2 - If that wasn't a problem, then I'd look next to our 2010-11 salary commitments. Sham shows we have 47.7M committed for next year. http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/hawks.jsp

If you simply clear Marvin off the books, that leaves you with 41M. Then you add in 1M for our 1st round draft pick and you are at 42M. Then you have 4 slots to fill with iminimum salaried players, which I will assume is another 2M. That puts us at 44M. If we sign a Rudy Gay we can only do so for up to $13-14M. That would leave us with very little depth:

Bibby/Teague (hoping Teague will move himself up this depth chart)

Crawford/Evans/First round pick?

Gay/Minimum Salary

Smoove/Minimum salary

Horford/Zaza

I prefer where we resign people and go with a lineup similar to this year's plus another first rounder:

Bibby/Crawford/Teague (hoping Teague will move himself up this depth chart)

JJ/Crawford

Marvin/Evans

Smoove/First round pick?

Horford/Zaza

[TheNorthCydeRises]

LOL . . . Durant was the best freshman of ALL TIME. I think he was the only freshman to win POY in college. The guy would've been the #1 pick in just about every other draft in the last 15 years, if not for the overhyping of Greg Oden. Like Marvin, he shouldn't have picked #2. Marvin would've gone lower and Durant would've been #1.

As an aside, the wrong pick is turning out to be this year's choice of Jeff Teague over Dejuan Blair. But we got burned once by an undersized rebounding machine in college, so I guess we couldn't take a chance on drafting another one. But we had to take Teague, because we didn't know if Bibby was going to return. Blair would be a godsend on this squad though. When our jumpshooters are missing a ton of shots, he'd be another guy that could possibly grab offensive rebounds to keep possessions alive.

[niremetal]

LOL . . . Durant was the best freshman of ALL TIME. I think he was the only freshman to win POY in college. The guy would've been the #1 pick in just about every other draft in the last 15 years, if not for the overhyping of Greg Oden. Like Marvin, he shouldn't have picked #2. Marvin would've gone lower and Durant would've been #1.

As an aside, the wrong pick is turning out to be this year's choice of Jeff Teague over Dejuan Blair. But we got burned once by an undersized rebounding machine in college, so I guess we couldn't take a chance on drafting another one. But we had to take Teague, because we didn't know if Bibby was going to return. Blair would be a godsend on this squad though. When our jumpshooters are missing a ton of shots, he'd be another guy that could possibly grab offensive rebounds to keep possessions alive.

The problem is that Blair's career is going to last about 150 games. His knees are going to get serious arthritis at a very young age (ie before he turns 30) due to the fact that he doesn't have ACLs in either knee - and that's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is he blows one of the knees tomorrow, needs joint replacement because there's no ligament to repair/replace, and his career is over. And there's plenty of intermediate options in between, none of which yield a productive player who stays healthy.

If Teague turns out to be a bust, I'll agree with you - better have Blair's contributions now than no contributions anytime. But I don't think Blair's knees will allow him to maintain his current level of production for more than a year or two. Which is why no team spent a first rounder on him.

[AHF]

The problem is that Blair's career is going to last about 150 games. His knees are going to get serious arthritis at a very young age (ie before he turns 30) due to the fact that he doesn't have ACLs in either knee - and that's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is he blows one of the knees tomorrow, needs joint replacement because there's no ligament to repair/replace, and his career is over. And there's plenty of intermediate options in between, none of which yield a productive player who stays healthy.

If Teague turns out to be a bust, I'll agree with you - better have Blair's contributions now than no contributions anytime. But I don't think Blair's knees will allow him to maintain his current level of production for more than a year or two. Which is why no team spent a first rounder on him.

The other factor is that we have our starter at PF for the next decade in Smith and/or Horford.

We don't have any depth at PG and Bibby is showing his age already.

[frankthetank966]

Durant was a much better player in College. Marvin was 6th man and Duran was the star on his team and in the league.

[NineOhTheRino]

LOL . . . Durant was the best freshman of ALL TIME. I think he was the only freshman to win POY in college. The guy would've been the #1 pick in just about every other draft in the last 15 years, if not for the overhyping of Greg Oden. Like Marvin, he shouldn't have picked #2. Marvin would've gone lower and Durant would've been #1.

As an aside, the wrong pick is turning out to be this year's choice of Jeff Teague over Dejuan Blair. But we got burned once by an undersized rebounding machine in college, so I guess we couldn't take a chance on drafting another one. But we had to take Teague, because we didn't know if Bibby was going to return. Blair would be a godsend on this squad though. When our jumpshooters are missing a ton of shots, he'd be another guy that could possibly grab offensive rebounds to keep possessions alive.

Billy Knight got burned not Sund. Way too early too be using the "B" word with Teague. However, I do find it strange that Woody's newly returned stepson is getting more PT than Teague.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Billy Knight got burned not Sund. Way too early too be using the "B" word with Teague. However, I do find it strange that Woody's newly returned stepson is getting more PT than Teague.

LOL @ Woody's stepson. But he proved why he got more burn than Teague yesterday. When Teague was in the game, he didn't impact the game at all. When Mario got in, he instantly impacted the game by significantly slowing down Durant. That enabled us to get back into the game. Forget Teague's playing time, if Mario keeps playing like that, you may see him on the floor during crunch time, as a defensive specialist.

Woody is crazy enough to put a Crawford - West - JJ - Smoove - Horford lineup in the game, to close out games.