When are Joe and Woody Going to Realize?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Here is JJ's shooting % based on time on the clock:

0-10 sec .542 efg%

11-15 sec .491 efg%

16-20 sec .490 efg%

21-24 sec:.471 efg%

http://www.82games.com/0910/09ATL5.HTM

Jamal's #s:

0-10 sec .500 efg%

11-15 sec .512 efg%

16-20 sec .556 efg%

21-24 sec:.538 efg%

http://www.82games.com/0910/09ATL3.HTM

Here are Kobe's #s:

0-10 sec .533 efg%

11-15 sec .433 efg%

16-20 sec .484 efg%

21-24 sec: .482 efg% (up from.378 efg% the prior year)

http://www.82games.com/0910/09LAL5.HTM

The key stat that people have to look at when crunching these numbers, is the % Assisted number. When you look at that number, you kind of see why Kobe's and JJ's stats are similar, and Crawford's are higher.

Kobe and JJ almost exclusively create their own shot when the shot clock is running down. They usually have to take extremely difficult shots to score the basketball. Kobe's degree of difficulty on his ISOs are ridiculous, because he can shoot it from crazy angles and will have so many people coming at him. JJ simply sizes people up to shoot the jumper, or takes a difficult floater in traffic. But sometimes, he taking and making Kobe-esque shots.

JackB . . . JJ may not hit a lot of game winners, but he does hit a lot of shots down the stretch of games to put a game out of reach.

Remember this shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpTGcruhOfM

[Gray Mule]

Hawks ar an improved team this season. We all know this and we have the record to prove it.

Now, consider this question. Who is the most improved Hawk?

After making your list, where did JJ fall? Bet he wasn't on top. In fact, he was probably dow

somewhere in the middle. Why? Is it because he's so good that he can't get any better?

I don't think so. JJ is good but not perfect.

Why hasn't he improved? Good question. He is probably better. Just not a lot better.The point being,

JJ is great but just not as great as he and Woody believes that he is.

Now, one of the questions facing us here: Would you rather JJ take the last shot when he's covered by

three players and two others rushing up to help or have Zaza take the shot when he's wide open under

the basket? You deside.

:cant believe:

[AHF]

The key stat that people have to look at when crunching these numbers, is the % Assisted number. When you look at that number, you kind of see why Kobe's and JJ's stats are similar, and Crawford's are higher.

Kobe and JJ almost exclusively create their own shot when the shot clock is running down. They usually have to take extremely difficult shots to score the basketball. Kobe's degree of difficulty on his ISOs are ridiculous, because he can shoot it from crazy angles and will have so many people coming at him. JJ simply sizes people up to shoot the jumper, or takes a difficult floater in traffic. But sometimes, he taking and making Kobe-esque shots.

JackB . . . JJ may not hit a lot of game winners, but he does hit a lot of shots down the stretch of games to put a game out of reach.

Remember this shot?

Agreed - but this may be an argument for greater ball movement and less isolation.

[pimp]

The key stat that people have to look at when crunching these numbers, is the % Assisted number. When you look at that number, you kind of see why Kobe's and JJ's stats are similar, and Crawford's are higher.

Kobe and JJ almost exclusively create their own shot when the shot clock is running down. They usually have to take extremely difficult shots to score the basketball. Kobe's degree of difficulty on his ISOs are ridiculous, because he can shoot it from crazy angles and will have so many people coming at him. JJ simply sizes people up to shoot the jumper, or takes a difficult floater in traffic. But sometimes, he taking and making Kobe-esque shots.

JackB . . . JJ may not hit a lot of game winners, but he does hit a lot of shots down the stretch of games to put a game out of reach.

Remember this shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpTGcruhOfM

I Wouldn't even bother to compare JJ to Kobe.

Kobe has 6 game winners this year. Joe has 1 in the last 3 years .

[HawkRock1123]

JJ is a very, very good player. The problem is people want him to be an MVP candidate type player and that is just a totally unrealistic and unwarranted expectation.

I agree with you here. That raises the question - if he's not an MVP candidate type player - do we offer him max money this summer like he's asking for?

That being said, I will side on the "not JJ's fault" for this thread. Everybody in the NBA knows we're going IsoJoe at the end of the game. It's easy to defend when Woody has absolutely no offensive playbook.

[APE]

I Wouldn't even bother to compare JJ to Kobe.

Kobe has 6 game winners this year. Joe has 1 in the last 3 years .

All average teams at best...he couldn't tie the game against the Magic..

[pimp]

All average teams at best...he couldn't tie the game against the Magic..

What does that matter? Joe's GW came against an average team....

LOL you talk about Kobe VS Orlando.. not only did JJ miss the shot, he traveled . :kickcan:

[APE]

What does that matter? Joe's GW came against an average team....

LOL you talk about Kobe VS Orlando.. not only did JJ miss the shot, he traveled . :kickcan:

Kome isn't a closer.