TheNorthCydeRises Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) Looking at the crunch time stats it makes it clear who the better option is down the stretch: JJ .491 efg% on the season. Crawford .524 efg% on the season. JJ shoots a .511 eFG% in 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points according to 82games Crawford shoots an abysmal .271 eFG% in 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points according to 82games. Pretty much. About the only thing people may say, is that JJ doesn't make the FINAL shot in a game. But he's made shots in close games down the stretch to try to keep us in a game, or to keep a lead. Hmmm . . so JJ is at .511 efg% huh? I wonder where the other star players around the league rank. Boozer: .600 Amare: .585 Billups: .559 Lebron: .553 Johnson: .511 Nash: .507 Roy: .500 Nowitzki: .486 Kobe: .484 Ginoboli: 467 Rose: .467 Pierce: .453 T. Evans: .436 Curry: .431 Durant: .431 R. Gay: 424 Carter: .415 Iguodala: .413 Bosh: .410 Melo: .389 Ellis: .395 Deron: .368 Duncan: .359 Wade: .349 Granger: .310 Clutch shooting amongst the top 6 Hawks: Williams: .556 ( 9.2 pts/per48 . . . 60% assisted ) Horford: .548 ( 18.5 pts/per48 . . . 59% assisted ) Johnson: .511 ( 40 pts/per48 . . . 21% assisted ) Smoove: .421 ( 16 pts/per48 . . . 69% assisted ) Bibby: .393 ( 10.8 pts/per48 . . . 75% assisted ) Crawford: .272 ( 18.3 pts/per48 . . . 27% assisted ) Edited March 25, 2010 by northcyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 I hope that was typo. Read my post again. I was the poster taking up for JJ. I think MVP23 is the poster you intended to call out here. I was laughing at your response to him, because you are right. When I typed "He", I was referring to MVP . . not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Pretty much. About the only thing people may say, is that JJ doesn't make the FINAL shot in a game. But he's made shots in close games down the stretch to try to keep us in a game, or to keep a lead. Hmmm . . so JJ is at .511 efg% huh? I wonder where the other star players around the league rank. Boozer: .600 Amare: .585 Billups: .559 Lebron: .553 Johnson: .511 Nash: .507 Roy: .500 Nowitzki: .486 Kobe: .484 Ginoboli: 467 Rose: .467 Pierce: .453 T. Evans: .436 Curry: .431 Durant: .431 R. Gay: 424 Carter: .415 Iguodala: .413 Bosh: .410 Melo: .389 Ellis: .395 Deron: .368 Duncan: .359 Wade: .349 Granger: .310 Clutch shooting amongst the top 6 Hawks: Williams: .556 ( 9.2 pts/per48 . . . 60% assisted ) Horford: .548 ( 18.5 pts/per48 . . . 59% assisted ) Johnson: .511 ( 40 pts/per48 . . . 21% assisted ) Smoove: .421 ( 16 pts/per48 . . . 69% assisted ) Bibby: .393 ( 10.8 pts/per48 . . . 75% assisted ) Crawford: .272 ( 18.3 pts/per48 . . . 27% assisted ) Come on now you know you can't the facts get in the way of a good argument. I can't stand the way the Hawks offense slows down to isos in the 4th quarter but the notion that JJ isn't a clutch player is just wrong. If anything i would guess the first has been his worst quarter, especially last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jhay610 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) Clutch shooting amongst the top 6 Hawks: Williams: .556 ( 9.2 pts/per48 . . . 60% assisted ) Horford: .548 ( 18.5 pts/per48 . . . 59% assisted ) Johnson: .511 ( 40 pts/per48 . . . 21% assisted ) Smoove: .421 ( 16 pts/per48 . . . 69% assisted ) Bibby: .393 ( 10.8 pts/per48 . . . 75% assisted ) Crawford: .272 ( 18.3 pts/per48 . . . 27% assisted ) Just wanted to emphasize this -- and I don't want to send the wrong message because I am for both Craw and Joe and I feel like we need them both cooking in order to make any noise in the playoffs (unless Woody is waiting to unveil his new offense in the playoffs). So how is it that Crawford is so much more clutch than JJ? And everyone around here needs to just chillax and support both guys because it's obvious they can co-exist...it's like you have to pick one or the other. Edited March 25, 2010 by jhay610 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted March 25, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Where are you guys getting your clutch stats from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU hawksfan Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Yep, it looks like case closed on this one. The numbers don't lie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP23 Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Micheal Wilbon "Josh Smith is their best player" Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted March 25, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Where are you guys getting your clutch stats from? The numbers I posted were from 82 games clutch shooting stats. They offer efg% on jumpers and inside shots for the last 5 minutes, etc. as I described above. I simply merged the efg% for inside shots and jumpers (using weighted averages based on % of attempts) into a single efg% figure for shot with less than 5 minutes, etc. For example: Al Hoford Clutch Play - (4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points) http://www.82games.com/0910/09ATL11.HTM#clutch Jumpers - 58% of clutch attempts at .333 efg% Inside Shots - 42% of clutch attempts at .846 efg% .58*.333 efg%+.32*.800 efg%=..548 combined efg% on fga during 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted March 26, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Thanks, AHF. I wish some of the other sites would offer clutch stats. The 82games format is so messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuteke Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 I do feel at this point joe is auditioning. On a side note if someone says something you don't agree with it adress it, not the member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporter Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 I do feel at this point joe is auditioning. On a side note if someone says something you don't agree with it adress it, not the member. It's not what he said that I don't agree with, its the manner in which he says it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP23 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 It's not what he said that I don't agree with, its the manner in which he says it. What am I supposed to do? "Hey guys....I love the team, but Joe...ehhh he is really pissing me off" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporter Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) What am I supposed to do? "Hey guys....I love the team, but Joe...ehhh he is really pissing me off" You don't have to make new threads saying the same thing over and over again. It's like Lebron flopping, crying, and whining for free calls or attention over and over again. Edited March 26, 2010 by Supporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP23 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 You don't have to make new threads saying the same thing over and over again. Fine then. Every time Joe goes into ~HERO MODE~ and we lose, I will bring this up, but this is very hypocritical since there were like 10 Marvin threads active at the same time a few weeks ago.(many by diesel.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporter Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Fine then. Every time Joe goes into ~HERO MODE~ and we lose, I will bring this up, but this is very hypocritical since there were like 10 Marvin threads active at the same time a few weeks ago.(many by diesel.) People always rag on Diesel for hating on Marvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP23 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 That doesn't stop him from doing it, and it won't stop me from "hating" on Joe. I'll tone it down a little for the playoffs, but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 That doesn't stop him from doing it, and it won't stop me from "hating" on Joe. I'll tone it down a little for the playoffs, but..... Weren't you like NEVER SUPPOSED TO POST AGAIN AND DISAPPEAR after that fabulous Marv prediction a few weeks back. QUITE HATIN, JOE'S THE MAN AIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhay610 Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Weren't you like NEVER SUPPOSED TO POST AGAIN AND DISAPPEAR after that fabulous Marv prediction a few weeks back. QUITE HATIN, JOE'S THE MAN AIGHT. I also remember reading about several wagers with one of MVP's key elements of his reproductive system on the line. I don't trust a man who would bet on something like that, no matter how sure the bet. You never know what a guy like that may be up to. To that end, what say you, MVP? Are you singing and octave or two higher now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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