Johnson, Woodson get hammered by national media

[dakast]

Checked StubHub this morning. You can buy playoff tickets for as low as $6 for the Hawks’ likely season exit Monday night against Orlando. Wait a while. They’ll go down.

After all of the progress they’ve made over the past three years, the Hawks woke up as a severely damaged product this morning.

They have lost three games to the Orlando by 87 points. They have suffered the worst home defeat of the season and the worst home playoff loss in franchise history (Saturday’s 105-75 loss). They’re only the fourth team in league history to drop two games in a playoff series by 30 or more points.

Also, Joe Johnson said he doesn’t care if you show up or not.

So what were the national reviews? About what you would expect.

From Chris Sheridan of ESPN:

“Joe, do you think you are costing yourself money?” That was the question posed to Joe Johnson after one of the more lackluster playoff performances a supposed max-salary player had played since the term “max-salary player” was added to the NBA lexicon in 1999.

And even more unbelievable than his performance and that of his teammates was Johnson’s answer: “No.”

Let me try to get this straight: In one of the final games this highly talented player will perform in before becoming an unrestricted free agent July 1, Johnson attempted 15 shots, missed 12 of them, was booed repeatedly and loudly and had about as much impact on the outcome as teammate Mario West, who was inactive. Memo to Johnson: Go back and take a look at what the Dow Jones did last Thursday. … Read up on what’s happening with the economic crisis in Greece, where the word “plummet” is being redefined downward with each passing day.

From Tim Povtak of AOL Fanhouse:

The Hawks waited 12 long years to have another 50-win season like this one. Too bad it’s ending in disaster.

It wasn’t worth the wait.

These aren’t growing pains anymore, a young team trying to find its way, a route these Hawks previously traveled. They look more like chemistry issues, a team that comes home for Game 3, and treats its paying customers to the biggest disappointment of the season.

“They deserve to be pissed off. The way we played, the fans deserve to be upset,” said Hawks forward Marvin Williams. “If your team lost by 30 in the playoffs, wouldn’t you be upset? If you get blown out like that, effort is always a factor.”

From Shaun Powell of NBA.com:

It’s been a hard and violent fall for Johnson and Atlanta the last few weeks, squeezing out a 7-game series against the Bucks, then enduring an ongoing Dwightmare in the Eastern Conference semifinals. And when they finally reach bottom with a splat, the pieces of their once-promising season could scatter and blow away.

Meaning, coach Mike Woodson, on the final year of his contract, will not be invited back. Same for Johnson, a free agent this summer, especially after insulting the fans as well as his team with poor play in this post-season. Losing by 43 in Game 1 was more graceful than refusing to compete at home in Game 3, bowing out by 30. Swiftly and suddenly, the Hawks went from soaring to sulking, from being admired to being disgraced.

But the demise of the Hawks actually began against the undermanned Bucks. Being taken to the limit by a team missing its best player wasn’t a good reflection on Woodson. Whether true or not, it gave the appearance the Bucks were better coached and prepared.

From Frank Hughes of SI.com:

You’d think that a coach who takes a team to the second round of the playoffs would be safe, but there are mitigating circumstances. First, Woodson is not general manager Rick Sund’s coach; Sund inherited Woodson when he took over for Billy Knight. Secondly, this Hawks team has raised many questions, and not just because it lost all three of these games by double digits and two of the three by at least 30 points. These problems started in the first round, after two dominating wins over Milwaukee was followed by three straight losses and forced Atlanta to win two life-or-death games in order to advance. Whether these issues are Woodson-related or chemistry-related are for Sund to answer, but they certainly are present, probably the reason the circumspect Sund has not given Woodson a contract extension.

From Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinel:

This was not a basketball game so much as it was a funeral march. The only thing missing from the pre-game introductions was a lone bugler playing Taps as the Magic carried a coffin draped in a Hawks banner out to midcourt.

This was no coliseum; it was a mausoleum, a place where NBA atmosphere comes to die.

You call this place an NBA playoff basketball crowd. It looked more like a WNBA midseason crowd.

“It’s no wonder that Gone With the Wind author [Margaret] Mitchell was born in Atlanta: Frankly, my dear, this city doesn’t give a damn about the Hawks. And the feeling seems to be mutual.

The Hawks made a statement to everybody.

Just the wrong one.

[mrhonline]

“They deserve to be pissed off. The way we played, the fans deserve to be upset,” said Hawks forward Marvin Williams. “If your team lost by 30 in the playoffs, wouldn’t you be upset? If you get blown out like that, effort is always a factor.”

Thank you, Marvin Williams. Thank you.

[HawkWeisErrr]

Thank you, Marvin Williams. Thank you.

It's clear that Marvin is much smarter than "Please Go Joe".

[Swiftkick]

I wish Jeff would have asked Marvin if he robbed the front office with a ski mask on to give him 40 million

[HawkWeisErrr]

I wish Jeff would have asked Marvin if he robbed the front office with a ski mask on to give him 40 million

Marvin is underutilized and will shine with a new coach and no JJ.

[Devon]

Marvin is underutilized and will shine with a new coach and no JJ.

Marvin will continue to be the Baby Giraffe Awkward, Duck-Butt shuffling, waste of a #2 pick that he's been for 5 years now... New Coach, New GM, New whatever... Marvin is "what he's been" and that's not going to change.

[99PROBL3MS]

Marvin is underutilized and will shine with a new coach and no JJ.

:cant believe: You can't really believe this can you?

[HawkWeisErrr]

:cant believe: You can't really believe this can you?

I really believe he had about the same FG% as Joe Johnson did this year. Which leads me to believe that if he had shot the ball the same number of times he would have averaged about the same # of points as JJ. Which in turn leads me to believe that some would believe that Marvin is a max player kinda guy. Marvin says the right things while Joe tells the fans to get licked. Marvin > Joe when given the opportunity.

[99PROBL3MS]

I really believe he had about the same FG% as Joe Johnson did this year. Which leads me to believe that if he had shot the ball the same number of times he would have averaged about the same # of points as JJ. Which in turn leads me to believe that some would believe that Marvin is a max player kinda guy. Marvin says the right things while Joe tells the fans to get licked. Marvin > Joe when given the opportunity.

I know you hate JJ bigtime but saying Marvin is better than JJ is comical. What doesn Marvin do better than Joe? I mean really? As far as %, Marvin gets far more open looks than.....you know what. Nevermind. Keep going haha.

[niremetal]

I really believe he had about the same FG% as Joe Johnson did this year. Which leads me to believe that if he had shot the ball the same number of times he would have averaged about the same # of points as JJ. Which in turn leads me to believe that some would believe that Marvin is a max player kinda guy. Marvin says the right things while Joe tells the fans to get licked. Marvin > Joe when given the opportunity.

You're right. There's no chance of a player's shooting percentage dropping when he's asked to go from being a role player to a featured option. Just ask Trevor Ariza.

Saying Marvin > JJ is just as insane as the guy on AJC who says that there are D-League players better than Marvin.

[thecampster]

:cant believe: You can't really believe this can you?

I believe Joe Johnson has become a problem for the Hawks and as much as his arrival helped, his continued presence has hurt. It has hurt other players development and has handicapped his coach into thinking iso Joe is an offense. A new coach will instill an offense that will utilize these players' talents. If you've bought into the hype that Marvin's play or Smith's long distance shooting is solely the player's faults than you aren't thinking about this as a player.

If you were a player on the hawks. A very young player on the hawks. Would you want to watch 50% of your possessions go in the hands of ISO-Joe or would you want to at least touch the ball, set a meaningful pick (you know, like one where you get to roll) or even be trusted to guard your man one on one instead of constantly having to switch? Would you want to walk onto the court every night knowing you are playing 4 on 5 when on defense. JJ and Bibby kill us nightly. The Magic are just great at exploiting another team's weakness.

[niremetal]

I believe Joe Johnson has become a problem for the Hawks and as much as his arrival helped, his continued presence has hurt. It has hurt other players development and has handicapped his coach into thinking iso Joe is an offense. A new coach will instill an offense that will utilize these players' talents. If you've bought into the hype that Marvin's play or Smith's long distance shooting is solely the player's faults than you aren't thinking about this as a player.

If you were a player on the hawks. A very young player on the hawks. Would you want to watch 50% of your possessions go in the hands of ISO-Joe or would you want to at least touch the ball, set a meaningful pick (you know, like one where you get to roll) or even be trusted to guard your man one on one instead of constantly having to switch? Would you want to walk onto the court every night knowing you are playing 4 on 5 when on defense. JJ and Bibby kill us nightly. The Magic are just great at exploiting another team's weakness.

Why on earth do you think a new coach wouldn't help improve Joe's game either? In my view, the biggest mistake Woody has made has been installing an offense where Joe initiates the half-court "offense" on many-to-most possessions. Woody doesn’t have ANY mechanism for taking the ball out of Joe’s hands and making someone else the lead guard when JJ (and/or Jamal) is cold. He has a fetish for making shooting guards (Flip, JJ, and Jamal) run the point. And then acts shocked when the shooting guards shoot.

JJ played off the ball in Phoenix and was great in that role. There's no reason you couldn't run JJ off the ball like most SGs in the league and still leave him as a #1 option. And we would be infinitely better off if we ran JJ off the ball so that there would be a mechanism to keep him from shooting us out of the game when he’s cold, just as the Celtics do with Pierce and Allen. My guess is that JJ would still average 19-22ppg, but he'd do it more efficiently and without having to exhaust himself as much as he does on ISOs.

Edited May 10, 2010 by niremetal

[99PROBL3MS]

Why on earth do you think a new coach wouldn't help improve Joe's game either? In my view, the biggest mistake Woody has made has been installing an offense where Joe initiates the half-court "offense" on many-to-most possessions. Woody doesn’t have ANY mechanism for taking the ball out of Joe’s hands and making someone else the lead guard when JJ (and/or Jamal) is cold. He has a fetish for making shooting guards (Flip, JJ, and Jamal) run the point. And then acts shocked when the shooting guards shoot.

He played off the ball in Phoenix and was great in that role. There's no reason you couldn't run JJ off the ball like most SGs in the league and still leave him as a #1 option. And we would be infinitely better off if we ran JJ off the ball so that there would be a mechanism to keep him from shooting us out of the game when he’s cold, just as the Celtics do with Pierce and Allen. My guess is that JJ would still average 19-22ppg, but he'd do it more efficiently and without having to exhaust himself as much as he does on ISOs.

Good post niremetal. I don't see how it is JJs fault Smoove thinks he has range 20ft+

[DeacKillsaDevil]

I thought Cunningham was the only one reporting Joe's comments so he could move up the ladder.