HawkItus Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 (edited) Since our demolition at the hands of the Magic it has been a parade of negative critiques for the team. I was thinking what exactly can we say is a non-issue? In my opinion our offensive ability is about the only thing we can say doesn't need an upgrade. And that is only if JJ doesn't leave. Also, assuming JJ doesn't leave, we are set at sixth man. Help me out, what can Sund ignore this summer? Edited May 25, 2010 by sultanofatl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lethalweapon3 Posted May 25, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 The A-Town Dancers. oh, and Al Horford, although I'd spend his summer working on a new position at PF. And honestly, our transition fast-break offense last year was less like the Keystone Kops than anything I've seen here in ages. Keep that. But let go of the whole tops-in-the-league-for-ball-control thing. I'm willing to give up a few extra turnovers for a more sensible halfcourt offensive scheme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted May 25, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Since our demolition at the hands of the Magic it has been a parade of negative critiques for the team. I was thinking what exactly can we say is a non-issue? In my opinion our offensive ability is about the only thing we can say doesn't need an upgrade. And that is only if JJ doesn't leave. Also, assuming JJ doesn't leave, we are set at sixth man. Help me out, what can Sund ignore this summer? The fact that Mo Evans is opting out. Actually, I wouldn't change a lot. I would look for that good 7 footer who hasn't been in the league for 14 years and who can still play his position for about 20 mins per game. I think we need a good 7 footer who plays defense in our C rotation. Somebody that we can depend on when the matchup doesn't favor us. First on my list is Brad Miller. There's also Pryzbilia. I would love to somehow get my hands on DeAndre Jordan. I think Sund's coaching choice is going to make the most difference. IF we doesn't bring in somebody who can change the attitudes of players, then we have to look to trade players. I'm more interested to see if we can get a coach who can work with what we have and with a few tweaks make us better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 Move Al to PF, Smith to the bench in a Manu role, and trade for Crawford for a true center. I would love to land Favors or even Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Its funny that this question is asked, because as I watch the playoffs, the more I am convinced that the difference between us and the teams still playing isnt based on talent. Far from it. Our problems are intangibles, things like heart, hustle, leadership, toughness, agression, IQ, preparedness, and adjustments. The players that I see making a difference on other teams wouldnt even have gotten playing time on our roster. Dragic, Glen Davis, Reddick all play with great intangibles. So to answer the question, I wouldnt change the talent we have wholesale like some suggest. We still have one of the most athletic rosters top to bottom. We have youth on our side as well. In particular: Horford- may be out of position but is a keeper all the way around Smith- has all-nba talent and athleticism, needs to get his head on straight before its too late, keeper unless we can get a difference maker at Center for him Williams- solid all around game, needs to add aggression and confidence to his game, keeper unless he can be moved for a big/pg JJ- All star, would be hard to replace Bibby- has more left in the tank than we give him credit for. His defense would not be such liability in the right system (zone) Crawford- great 6th man, definately a keeper in the same role he had this year Teague- has the talent to be the pg most ppl here want, just needs the chance. ive seen too much potential to think otherwise Morris- Played very well this year and DESERVED to get more playing time, I blame Woodson for that. Did anybody else notice how much he improved but me? West- Since he first made the team I believed he should have gotten more PT. There doesnt need to be 5 scorers on the floor at all times, but since there was no offensive system and at any random moment every player had to be able to score he couldnt get on the court, even though he plays better defense with more heart and energy than anybody else on our team. ZaZa- im dissappointed in his year, but hopefully he bounces back, he is under contract regardless. all are keepers, just need more direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudBall Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 I though Morris still sucked. I would like to see Teague start see what he is capable of and trade josh Smith for a center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Personally I would look for another undersized center that we can plug in and we can become the "Hack-A-Everybody" team. Keep all our bigs and get another minimum impact guy. Then just foul every time the ball goes inside and Jack Threes. ...or maybe not...I dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 26, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 trade for Crawford for a true center. I would love to land Favors or even Cousins. Who in the world would give up a #2-4 pick for Crawford or a true center? I mean sign me up if you can get it, but I'll kindly say it is easier said than done. The #24 pick and Crawford for a #2-4 pick in this draft doesn't get a return phone call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Who in the world would give up a #2-4 pick for Crawford or a true center? I mean sign me up if you can get it, but I'll kindly say it is easier said than done. The #24 pick and Crawford for a #2-4 pick in this draft doesn't get a return phone call. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. Trade Crawford for a true center (ex. Thabeet, Samuel D). Then I stated I would love Favors or Cousins, no trade partner, just mentioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureGreatness Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Put smith at his NATURAL POSITION WHICH IS SF, have marvin traded or make him back up smoove. Bring back Chillz, trade Bibby, Sign N Trade Joe, get a defensive center who can get atleast 10 rebounds and is atleast 6'11". Bring in avery johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 The fact that Mo Evans is opting out. Actually, I wouldn't change a lot. I would look for that good 7 footer who hasn't been in the league for 14 years and who can still play his position for about 20 mins per game. I think we need a good 7 footer who plays defense in our C rotation. Somebody that we can depend on when the matchup doesn't favor us. First on my list is Brad Miller. There's also Pryzbilia. I would love to somehow get my hands on DeAndre Jordan. I think Sund's coaching choice is going to make the most difference. IF we doesn't bring in somebody who can change the attitudes of players, then we have to look to trade players. I'm more interested to see if we can get a coach who can work with what we have and with a few tweaks make us better. I am on the fence about staying pat with our starting lineup. Pryz would be a great fit if healthy. I have always liked his game from a defensive standpoint; but so does Portland. Going to be hard to pry him away IMO; unless Portland thinks he is done. A coach can make a major difference but we still need some offense from Marvin and/or Smith. Teague is a huge question mark and as much as I like the Bibby of old he is done as a starter. Our references to Garnets Minny teams have convinced me we are in a similar boat. They had two all-stars in Garnet and Cassell; but instead of adding one more for another playoff run, they traded their 2nd all-star (Cassell) for bench fodder. We have two all-stars in JJ and Horf. If we lose JJ for bench fodder or role players, we are in deep s*** no matter who the coach is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 (edited) Teague PG Craw SG Joe SF AL PF Find a 7-Footer Bring Bibbs, Marv and Josh off the bench Bring Flipper back I see where you are going but having 24 mill invested in three bench players is a desperate move; and one I do not think the ASG is willing to accept financially . Craw and Teague would be just as weak defensively (quite possibly more so) as Bibby and JJ in the backcourt. Edited May 26, 2010 by Buzzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member NineOhTheRino Posted May 26, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 I see where you are going but having 24 mill invested in three bench players is a desperate move; and one I do not think the ASG is willing to accept financially . Craw and Teague would be just as weak defensively (quite possibly more so) as Bibby and JJ in the backcourt. lol... I actually deleted that because i read the OP wrong. "what wouldn't you change" the only moves I consider a must is moving Al to PF and getting something close to a true center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 26, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 I think you misunderstood what I wrote. Trade Crawford for a true center (ex. Thabeet, Samuel D). Then I stated I would love Favors or Cousins, no trade partner, just mentioning. Well for that matter, I would also love John Wall. He would be a huge upgrade from Bibby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Well for that matter, I would also love John Wall. He would be a huge upgrade from Bibby. ha, very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkItus Posted May 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 This thread really sums up my original point. This was a 50+ win team in the Second round. And I've yet to see 5 good things about this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Unless I was completely blown away by a trade offer for Josh Smith, I wouldn't change the tandem of he and Al Horford inside. They are by far our most effective defensive players on the team, and if a coach can ever get through to Josh Smith and make him be the player he is and not the player he thinks he is, then he could go from being a snubbed All Star to a legitimate All Star. What I would do is stop trying to pigeon hole them into the prototypical positions. I would definitely have Al slide over and play the power forward position on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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