I'm still pissed about the Pape Sy pick.

[AHF]

I bet over half the list signs for $3 mill or less.

I'll try to track the ones I said wouldn't and see. I bet that group falls into one of two categories:

(a) they sign with a a specific team over a specific contract and usually a premium contender and were therefore never available to the Hawks to sign

or

(b) they sign for more than $3M

If even 30% of the players I flagged don't fall into those categories, I will be surprised. More to the point, we'll see which of them the Hawks actually sign.

Edited July 1, 2010 by AHF

[Chinky_eyed_hawk]

Pape Sy > Pape Sow?????

[Joker]

Is Pape Sy really worth four pages of discussion?

[spotatl]

Considering how many posts have been wasted talking about Garret Siler I'd definitely say that a hawks draftpick deserves a 4 page thread.

[lethalweapon3]

Let's just take a Wait-and-Sy approach.

~lw3

[Sothron]

Let's just take a Wait-and-Sy approach.

~lw3

[pimp]

Sy will be on the sl team

Prior to leaving for Las Vegas, this year’s draft picks Jordan Crawford and Pape Sy, will join 2009 first round selection Jeff Teague and other free agents for several days of workouts locally from July 9-11 on the Philips Arena practice court.

2010 NBA SUMMER LEAGUE GAME SCHEDULE

(all times listed are local Las Vegas time, schedule subject to change):

[AHF]

ZaZa's 1st deal was $4 mill per year for 4 years right ? That is pretty darn close.

Here is a list a FA that will be probably be $3 mill or cheaper per year. Many of these guys will be LLE players. I am bolding the players who will likely get more then the LLE in my mind but not over $3 mill.

Tony Allen

Marquis Daniels

Larry Hughes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Theo Ratliff

Brad Miller - could play for the LLE on a contender. Good fit off the bench for teams running a triangle offense. -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Flip Murray

Big Z -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Johan Petro

Tim Thomas

Ben Wallace Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

CJ Watson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Kyle Lowry

Earl Watson

Steve Blake

Brian Skinner

Drew Gooden - $3 mill is possible and would be a steal Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Craig Smith

Shannon Brown

Joel Anthony

Rafer Aslton

Luke Ridnour

Kurt Thomas Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Darko Milic Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Damien Wilkens

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Chris Duhon

Eddie House

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Adone Foyle

Channy Frye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Louise Amundson

Randy Foye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Matt Bonner

Kyle Korver Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Roger Mason

Amir Johnson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Rasho Nesterovic

Gooden down for $6M/year

Darko down for $5M/year

Amir Johnson down for $7M/year

[AHF]

ZaZa's 1st deal was $4 mill per year for 4 years right ? That is pretty darn close.

Here is a list a FA that will be probably be $3 mill or cheaper per year. Many of these guys will be LLE players. I am bolding the players who will likely get more then the LLE in my mind but not over $3 mill.

Tony Allen

Marquis Daniels

Larry Hughes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Theo Ratliff

Brad Miller - could play for the LLE on a contender. Good fit off the bench for teams running a triangle offense. -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Flip Murray

Big Z -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Johan Petro

Tim Thomas

Ben Wallace Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

CJ Watson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Kyle Lowry

Earl Watson

Steve Blake

Brian Skinner

Drew Gooden - $3 mill is possible and would be a steal Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Craig Smith

Shannon Brown

Joel Anthony

Rafer Aslton

Luke Ridnour

Kurt Thomas Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Darko Milic Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Damien Wilkens

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Chris Duhon

Eddie House

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Adone Foyle

Channy Frye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Louise Amundson

Randy Foye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Matt Bonner

Kyle Korver Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Roger Mason

Amir Johnson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Rasho Nesterovic

Gooden down for $6M/year

Darko down for $5M/year

Amir Johnson down for $7M/year

Frye down for $6M/year

[AHF]

ZaZa's 1st deal was $4 mill per year for 4 years right ? That is pretty darn close.

Here is a list a FA that will be probably be $3 mill or cheaper per year. Many of these guys will be LLE players. I am bolding the players who will likely get more then the LLE in my mind but not over $3 mill.

Tony Allen

Marquis Daniels

Larry Hughes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Theo Ratliff

Brad Miller - could play for the LLE on a contender. Good fit off the bench for teams running a triangle offense. -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Flip Murray

Big Z -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Johan Petro

Tim Thomas

Ben Wallace Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

CJ Watson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Kyle Lowry

Earl Watson

Steve Blake

Brian Skinner

Drew Gooden - $3 mill is possible and would be a steal Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Craig Smith

Shannon Brown

Joel Anthony

Rafer Aslton

Luke Ridnour

Kurt Thomas Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Darko Milic Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Damien Wilkens

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Chris Duhon

Eddie House

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Adone Foyle

Channy Frye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Louise Amundson

Randy Foye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Matt Bonner

Kyle Korver Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Roger Mason

Amir Johnson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Rasho Nesterovic

Gooden down for $6M/year

Darko down for $5M/year

Amir Johnson down for $7M/year

Frye down for $6M/year

Duhon for $3.75M/year

Blake for $4M/year

[coachx]

Duhon for $3.75M/year

Blake for $4M/year

Right in the ball park for a PG upgrade.

[AHF]

Right in the ball park for a PG upgrade.

Yep. Both over $3M but within reason for the Hawks.

The tougher part may be the fact that these guys got 4 years. I don't think we wanted to commit to mediocre players like these for the next 4 years.

[spotatl]

Right- the conversation was about how mcuh good it woudl do to save 3 million dollars. Duhon got 15 million dollars. Blake got 20 million dollars. Thats why its ridiculous to try and save money by selling picks like the Hawks did as 3 million just doesn't go very far in free agency. With the first pick in the second round you are paying the guy the minimum and don't even have to guarantee the contract if you dont' want to. Then the player will almost certainly give you a team option if you guarantee a little more money. And even if you allow the player to become a free agent they are a restricted free agent.

[Blunt91]

Found this video over on youtube of Larry Drew talking about Pape Sy. I don't know what the technical problem was at the very end.

[AHF]

ZaZa's 1st deal was $4 mill per year for 4 years right ? That is pretty darn close.

Here is a list a FA that will be probably be $3 mill or cheaper per year. Many of these guys will be LLE players. I am bolding the players who will likely get more then the LLE in my mind but not over $3 mill.

Tony Allen

Marquis Daniels

Larry Hughes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Theo Ratliff

Brad Miller - could play for the LLE on a contender. Good fit off the bench for teams running a triangle offense. -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Flip Murray

Big Z -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Johan Petro

Tim Thomas

Ben Wallace Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

CJ Watson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Kyle Lowry

Earl Watson

Steve Blake

Brian Skinner

Drew Gooden - $3 mill is possible and would be a steal Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Craig Smith

Shannon Brown

Joel Anthony

Rafer Aslton

Luke Ridnour

Kurt Thomas Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Darko Milic Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Damien Wilkens

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Chris Duhon

Eddie House

Adone Foyle

Channy Frye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Louise Amundson

Randy Foye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Matt Bonner

Kyle Korver Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Roger Mason

Amir Johnson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Rasho Nesterovic

Gooden down for $6M/year

Darko down for $5M/year

Amir Johnson down for $7M/year

Frye down for $6M/year

Duhon for $3.75M/year

Blake for $4M/year

Korver for $5M/year

Edited July 10, 2010 by AHF

[AHF]

ZaZa's 1st deal was $4 mill per year for 4 years right ? That is pretty darn close.

Here is a list a FA that will be probably be $3 mill or cheaper per year. Many of these guys will be LLE players. I am bolding the players who will likely get more then the LLE in my mind but not over $3 mill.

Tony Allen

Marquis Daniels

Larry Hughes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Theo Ratliff

Brad Miller - could play for the LLE on a contender. Good fit off the bench for teams running a triangle offense. -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Flip Murray

Big Z -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Johan Petro

Steve Blake

Drew Gooden - $3 mill is possible and would be a steal Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Darko Milic Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Chris Duhon

Channy Frye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Kyle Korver Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Amir Johnson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Tim Thomas

Ben Wallace Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

CJ Watson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Kyle Lowry

Earl Watson

Brian Skinner

Craig Smith

Shannon Brown

Joel Anthony

Rafer Aslton

Luke Ridnour

Kurt Thomas Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Damien Wilkens

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Eddie House

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Adone Foyle

Louise Amundson

Randy Foye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Matt Bonner

Roger Mason

Rasho Nesterovic

Gooden down for $6M/year

Darko down for $5M/year

Amir Johnson down for $7M/year

Frye down for $6M/year

Duhon for $3.75M/year

Blake for $4M/year

Korver $5M/year

Petro $3.3M/year

0 for 8 so far. I'm not sure how many of the desirable FAs off list list will actually go for under $3M year.

Edited July 10, 2010 by AHF

[AHF]

ZaZa's 1st deal was $4 mill per year for 4 years right ? That is pretty darn close.

Here is a list a FA that will be probably be $3 mill or cheaper per year. Many of these guys will be LLE players. I am bolding the players who will likely get more then the LLE in my mind but not over $3 mill.

Marquis Daniels

Larry Hughes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Theo Ratliff

Brad Miller - could play for the LLE on a contender. Good fit off the bench for teams running a triangle offense. -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Flip Murray

Big Z -- Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Johan Petro

Steve Blake

Drew Gooden - $3 mill is possible and would be a steal Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Darko Milic Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Chris Duhon

Channy Frye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Kyle Korver Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Amir Johnson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Tony Allen

Ben Wallace Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Tim Thomas

CJ Watson Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Kyle Lowry

Earl Watson

Brian Skinner

Craig Smith

Shannon Brown

Joel Anthony

Rafer Aslton

Luke Ridnour

Kurt Thomas Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Damien Wilkens

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Eddie House

Matt Barnes Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Adone Foyle

Louise Amundson

Randy Foye Will not play for the Hawks for $3M/year

Matt Bonner

Roger Mason

Rasho Nesterovic

Gooden down for $6M/year

Darko down for $5M/year

Amir Johnson down for $7M/year

Frye down for $6M/year

Duhon for $3.75M/year

Blake for $4M/year

Korver $5M/year

Petro $3.3M/year

Tony Allen $3.33M/year

Ben Wallace $1.9M/year (resigned with his beloved Pistons)

1/10 so far for players under $3M/season and 0/10 as far as players considering the Hawks at that price.

I'm not sure how many of the desirable FAs off list list will actually go for under $3M year.

Edited July 12, 2010 by AHF

[BusBoyIsBack]

We blew it by not taking Hassan Whiteside with our 31st pick

Kid will at the very least be a shot blocking machine

Edited July 13, 2010 by BusBoyIsBack

[BudBall]

POP C will be the man in the future!! :thumbsupsmileyanim:

[TheNorthCydeRises]

The sold pick at #31 gives ownership an extra 3 million to financially do whatever they want to with it

Or to put it another way. If the Hawks had a payroll maximum budget of 70 million . . . and they ended up spending 1.5 million over the luxury tax . . . the league would come in and make them pay an additional 1.5 million ( the luxury tax $1 for $1 penalty ) . . . totaling 3 million the Hawks would have to pay over their set payroll budget.

But now, because of the sold 2nd round pick, all they would have to do is write the league a 1.5 million check, and credit the other 1.5 million to themselves, thus, keeping them within budget.

While all of us would've loved for them to use that #31 on an actual player, we do have to remember that this IS a business.

And because we're a low revenue generating franchise, combined with a ownership group who may not have as deep of pockets as some of the other owners, moves like selling a pick for money may be necessary from time to time.

If the extra 3 million they made by selling the pick, gives them a little more incentive to get one or two decent players that puts them over the tax, then I'm not upset with them selling the pick.