JackB1 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I dont :) I like the style of ball the Hawks play without Joe. MUCH more passing. We had a season high number of assists last night. They play more like a team and it's causing Horford and Smoove to grow in ability AND leadership. I think they are more fun to watch with all of Joe's backing down and dribble, dribble, dribble. Imagine if we beat SA in SA this Fri? Joe is going to come back and ruin all this team chemistry we are developing. If we continue playing this well, I hope Drew gradually eases him back in. I sure don't miss his 4-20 shooting :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonethugz Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 the knicks still want joe.....right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post lethalweapon3 Posted December 9, 2010 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 We lose games, we wanna run people outta town. We win games, we wanna run people outta town. Get well soon, Joe. ~lw3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foeteen14 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 all joe needs to do is hit wide open shots. hopefully after he's healed up he will do so. i don't miss the joe i'm saw this year, the injury probably has a lot to do with it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APE Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Looks mighty handsome in those suits Zaza picks out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 The hawks were moving the ball well when JJ was playing. The problem was that he struggled to make open shots. Now we know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member NineOhTheRino Posted December 9, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 heard a rumor that Joe uses 100 dollar bills as rolling papers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMacUnstoppable Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 with Joe no wins against good team.. with out joe we beat the Magics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) :nono: THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. The old JJ is one thing. This season's JJ is another entirely different cat. All Hawks, without exception, are sticking up for JJ. Listen to them. Not just coaches, but all the players want JJ to hurry and get well and come back and help them. Why? Because of his play this season? Nope. Because they remember the old JJ who played here before the injury. Watching this season, you have to believe the wrong player got the huge extention. Crawford is playing like we thought JJ would play. JJ didn't. Yet, he has this huge contract. Then, we learn the truth. We bought damaged goods. JJ knew about the injury. He now says it was bothering him last season before the playoffs. Yet he said nothing and did nothing to have it fixed during the off season when he would have had time to heal and miss no games. Why? Because, he would not have recieved that huge $$$$ contract. He would have had to sign for less money. Therefore, the money meant more to him than the team does. Despite all this, all the Hawks want him back - - Or, so they say. National sports writers were gloom and doom about the future of Atlanta without JJ. Yet, we now know, we can and have won without JJ. If JJ wants to be a part of the whole, a cog in the team, that would be so great. The old, very respected JJ. But, if he comes back, wanting to be "the man" and the star to the detrement of the team, this we don't need. :mad: Edited December 9, 2010 by Gray Mule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Did we already forget how ugly our offense was against Philly, Miami, and Orlando? It's a miracle we won two of those. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted December 9, 2010 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I love the people who intentionally ignore the fact Joe was hurt all season before this surgery and try to act as if the Joe we saw this year is the same guy that's been a consecutive four time All Star previously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye242424 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I love the people who intentionally ignore the fact Joe was hurt all season before this surgery and try to act as if the Joe we saw this year is the same guy that's been a consecutive four time All Star previously. Yes. Granted the current 4-1 record is nice w/out him, and sure he's not worth ALL that coin....BUT, we need Joe. He needs to get healthy and come back fresh and ready to roll. We're not better off without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachx Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm looking foward to a healthy JJ coming back and finding his shooting stroke. I'm still hoping this is a blessing in that it forces other Hawks to grow and keeps JJ fresh for the stretch run and he playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted December 9, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I miss Joe. You think any of these guys will be scoring like this come playoff time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackB1 Posted December 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm looking foward to a healthy JJ coming back and finding his shooting stroke. I'm still hoping this is a blessing in that it forces other Hawks to grow and keeps JJ fresh for the stretch run and he playoffs. Joe stated that this injury wasn't hurting his shooting, so I am not optimistic that he will come back and suddenly shoot 55%. JJ hasn't really changed his play all that much under Drew's motion offense. He still holds the ball too long whenever he gets it. He needs to either spot up and shoot quick or look to set up someone else. He stops the ball movement way too much. I never thought that Joe had a high basketball IQ due to the fact that he repeatidly waits till he is smothered by a double team and forces up bad shots. He does have a lot of raw talent to overcome these plays, but he is not a smart player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Joe stated that this injury wasn't hurting his shooting, so I am not optimistic that he will come back and suddenly shoot 55%. JJ hasn't really changed his play all that much under Drew's motion offense. He still holds the ball too long whenever he gets it. He needs to either spot up and shoot quick or look to set up someone else. He stops the ball movement way too much. I never thought that Joe had a high basketball IQ due to the fact that he repeatidly waits till he is smothered by a double team and forces up bad shots. He does have a lot of raw talent to overcome these plays, but he is not a smart player. Not that I don't believe you but where did you read or hear that? And even if he did say that I would be shocked if something that required him to have surgery on his shooting arm wasn't affecting his shooting and on top of that he's been wearing a glove on his off hand which would absolutely affect his shooting since that hand does touch the ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachx Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) The only person in the NBA who can shoot the ball without straightening out their elbow is Shawn Marion........but he has been shooting like that his whole life. I respect JJ for not making excuses but any elbow injury / pain will effect anyone's perimeter shot. The proof is in the pudding. Look at his shooting before his elbow trouble and after elbow trouble. Edited December 9, 2010 by coachx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 To me there are definitely some fringe benefits if the Hawks continue to get wins without JJ. That would show that JJ doesn't need to play 40 minutes per game for the Hawks to be successful. It will also show JJ that he can trust his teamates more than in the past. Personally i think he has been less prone to go Iso-Joe this year than in the past except for a few notable instances early in the year. The first Philly game in particular was a bad one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted December 9, 2010 Moderators Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 The only person in the NBA who can shoot the ball without straightening out their elbow is Shawn Marion........but he has been shooting like that his whole life. I respect JJ for not making excuses but any elbow injury / pain will effect anyone's perimeter shot. The proof is in the pudding. Look at his shooting before his elbow trouble and after elbow trouble. Don't know how you make it all the way to the nba and be as successful as Marion with a shot off your chest. Its weird. Other than Chill the guy i remember with the ugliest was John Crotty. And I think he had a high 3 point percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaceCase Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 For a guy who was supposedly being a ballhog it's surprising to me that he was second on the team in assist rate and had the added benefit of turning the ball over the least out of all our top passers. Joe bought into the offense, the one issue is that his shot was atrocious on all of those wide open jumpers that were created by it. I think we know now why that was but the man is still a great asset to the team in terms on facilitating and hopefully after this surgery in terms of scoring as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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